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Kyle
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Markmywords
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Just remember to vote liberal for the next state election 
you will see ambulance services being tendered out CORRECTLY (well interhospital services anyways)
Regulating the industry in W.A would cost approx:
* One off payment off $1.4 Million over a 3 year period
* On going costs after that $0.28 Million over a 7 year period
It would stop the cowboys (Kicking in windows at MVA's haha) BUT would take years to impliment such an act in W.A
Oh and i should say this is for "Non Emergency Patient Transport" only under an act "Emergency" ambulance services would not be allowed !!!
The Ambulance ACT review done between 1995 and 1997 resulted in 3 main points.
* All ambulance transport in the metropolitan area (with exception off interhospital) to be provided by St John Ambulance.
* All metropolitan interhospital transfers to be made subject of competitive tender
* All transport in rural and regional W.A to be provided by St John Ambulance (INCLUDING Interhospital transfers)
Seems like that review went down the toilet AT no time have Competitve Tenders been done.
you will see ambulance services being tendered out CORRECTLY (well interhospital services anyways)Regulating the industry in W.A would cost approx:
* One off payment off $1.4 Million over a 3 year period
* On going costs after that $0.28 Million over a 7 year period
It would stop the cowboys (Kicking in windows at MVA's haha) BUT would take years to impliment such an act in W.A
Oh and i should say this is for "Non Emergency Patient Transport" only under an act "Emergency" ambulance services would not be allowed !!!
The Ambulance ACT review done between 1995 and 1997 resulted in 3 main points.
* All ambulance transport in the metropolitan area (with exception off interhospital) to be provided by St John Ambulance.
* All metropolitan interhospital transfers to be made subject of competitive tender
* All transport in rural and regional W.A to be provided by St John Ambulance (INCLUDING Interhospital transfers)
Seems like that review went down the toilet AT no time have Competitve Tenders been done.
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Kyle
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How I see it, if a Local Ambulance Service exists apart from just SJA, which delivers exceptional service, availability and high quality patient care. The local Public in proximity to the service will call this private service for assistance. Those companies that step up to the challenge will be awarded later subsequent government contracts once they come up for re-tender if they are seen favorably by the community / local council. In the USA the government has been tendering out Emergency Services to a number of private companies which provide 911 services in conjunction with PT.
Eventually SJA will not be able to keep up with the demand as WA is growing at a Alarming rate especially Mandurah, Rockingham & Jondalup.
Eventually SJA will not be able to keep up with the demand as WA is growing at a Alarming rate especially Mandurah, Rockingham & Jondalup.
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they wait, or call up the ute and transfer in that. Maybe the white delica that is unmarked and full of kids could hold up the trafficMarkmywords wrote:What happens if ALAS end up at a hospital thats ramping ?
Yes it was seen on the road apparently with the ?owner driving with some kiddies and old ducks ? family inside lol. Business vehicle or personal venture. 
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Very true kyle BUT to implement that would be a nightmare in itself.
1) Radios/Comms to be fitted to be apart of the emergency network
2) Provider would need to pay for all licensing fees, radios etc and im sure sja would want a fee as well for ebing on there system.
3) ALL private operators would need to have there staff assessed by SJA
In the event off a MCI i do agree they should contact NEPT providers but all 000 calls should still be done by SJA.
1) Radios/Comms to be fitted to be apart of the emergency network
2) Provider would need to pay for all licensing fees, radios etc and im sure sja would want a fee as well for ebing on there system.
3) ALL private operators would need to have there staff assessed by SJA
In the event off a MCI i do agree they should contact NEPT providers but all 000 calls should still be done by SJA.
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Kyle
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Toottoot, think about it if more companies delivering the same High Standard Ambulance Services more availability to the growing population. As a collective they can help strengthen the WA medical system.Toottoot wrote:Why do you say SJA wont be able to keep up? What would make any other ambulance service any better at keeping up with population growth than SJA?Kyle wrote:.
Eventually SJA will not be able to keep up with the demand as WA is growing at a Alarming rate especially Mandurah, Rockingham & Jondalup
We are also faced with a challenge, with the largest number of retirees soon to come. Hospital systems have also benefited from allowing private Hospitals to fill the gap. Some have also brokerage deals to provide EDs to the public in addition to private services. Peel Health campus is a classic example of a Private Hospital helping fill the gap in the system. Without it Mandurah population would be in strife. They deliver a excellent service to local residents.
Also as medical insurance is becoming relatively inexpensive we are reducing the strain on the Health system.. The more Ambulance Services compete the more research, Higher level services delivered. Its not healthy to have a monopoly..
Governments should also give incentives & tax cuts to upcoming small businesses. One of the reasons why they don't survive in Australia is lack of incentives and support.
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A possible PLAN
Well what they need to do as a starting point is move communications to a Government Authority. Allow 000 calls to be delivered by availability using Data Management & Ambulance Tracking systems. If the government comms center has availability of Company A & Company B they dispatch call based on distance to scene or critical care units available if required.. Or if Company A isn't available they dispatch Company B to the scene and vice versa. There are plenty of very sophisticated and open network / legacy compliant dispatch & comms systems.
Any Ambulance Service which is deemed to comply to be able to deliver 000 services should be part of the system. For example if I were to take a SJA paramedic and a Company A Paramedic they should both be able to demonstrate and perform skills etc to the agreed standards set down by the state. This may mean private services hiring qualified and experienced staff to begin with however will open doors for those in the industry as well as explained below.
All would have to meet the same standards. One of the biggest issues holding back Ambulance Services operating as a collective under 000 is there is no standard to meet. As there should be more tenders to compete for. Rather then just one.
Training could be delivered by ECU opening a Public Paramedical Science Degree. The private services other then SJA if they were 000 could then provide the internship component as SJA do.
Also standardization of protocols and procedures should be across all services in the state. The company can still offer unique patient care however within the states protocols and procedures should have similarity. . Governments should also be responsible for installation and deliver of open network comms equipment for smaller companies starting as a incentive. Later when they are assessed as being able to afford the equipment they then pay a leasing fee. After all we do pay one of the highest tax rates in the world. It would be pocket change to the government.
If people put aside the differences and worked towards common goal & targets. If countries such as America & Acadia can do it so can WA. After all the public should not wait 45 minutes for a Ambulance to arrive if one is available however due to politics it can't attend. Its about the patient and access to quality emergency care in the end.
I'm sure if a SJA Paramedic family member was critically injured and it was time critical, bearing in mind no avaliable SJA Ambulance for 45mins. However a Private competent Ambulance Service could be there in 10min. I'm sure they would not object to the other Private Service taking the call.
Its sounds to perfect yes I know however as the strain increases on the Health System they will have no choice but to accept a collective of Ambulance Services could be a possible solution.
Markmywords see what happens when I don't post in the ALAS forum for a long time. .My brain explodes and splatters ideas all over the forum..
Well what they need to do as a starting point is move communications to a Government Authority. Allow 000 calls to be delivered by availability using Data Management & Ambulance Tracking systems. If the government comms center has availability of Company A & Company B they dispatch call based on distance to scene or critical care units available if required.. Or if Company A isn't available they dispatch Company B to the scene and vice versa. There are plenty of very sophisticated and open network / legacy compliant dispatch & comms systems.
Any Ambulance Service which is deemed to comply to be able to deliver 000 services should be part of the system. For example if I were to take a SJA paramedic and a Company A Paramedic they should both be able to demonstrate and perform skills etc to the agreed standards set down by the state. This may mean private services hiring qualified and experienced staff to begin with however will open doors for those in the industry as well as explained below.
All would have to meet the same standards. One of the biggest issues holding back Ambulance Services operating as a collective under 000 is there is no standard to meet. As there should be more tenders to compete for. Rather then just one.
Training could be delivered by ECU opening a Public Paramedical Science Degree. The private services other then SJA if they were 000 could then provide the internship component as SJA do.
Also standardization of protocols and procedures should be across all services in the state. The company can still offer unique patient care however within the states protocols and procedures should have similarity. . Governments should also be responsible for installation and deliver of open network comms equipment for smaller companies starting as a incentive. Later when they are assessed as being able to afford the equipment they then pay a leasing fee. After all we do pay one of the highest tax rates in the world. It would be pocket change to the government.
If people put aside the differences and worked towards common goal & targets. If countries such as America & Acadia can do it so can WA. After all the public should not wait 45 minutes for a Ambulance to arrive if one is available however due to politics it can't attend. Its about the patient and access to quality emergency care in the end.
I'm sure if a SJA Paramedic family member was critically injured and it was time critical, bearing in mind no avaliable SJA Ambulance for 45mins. However a Private competent Ambulance Service could be there in 10min. I'm sure they would not object to the other Private Service taking the call.
Its sounds to perfect yes I know however as the strain increases on the Health System they will have no choice but to accept a collective of Ambulance Services could be a possible solution.
Markmywords see what happens when I don't post in the ALAS forum for a long time. .My brain explodes and splatters ideas all over the forum..
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Maybe they could get the kids to attend too the patientsPFO wrote:
probarly do a better job haha.**Checkout the private ambulance pic that was taken in perth**
I wonder who it belongs too
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Kyle
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Well I can only think of the possible buyers being Medic One, Mines or ALAS or Surf Life Saving. However its not my cup of tea.. Newish or New F350's for all please. Bring back the V8.. I hate it when Nana beats me to the hospital. Plus for those of us that are not midgets.Markmywords wrote:Maybe they could get the kids to attend too the patientsPFO wrote:
**Checkout the private ambulance pic that was taken in perth**
I wonder who it belongs too
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rescue ten if ur watching, i have finally worked out whats required to be a siver card and goldcard holder for Cams and if its anything by what you have previously mentioned, I just need a few references and be amoungst the boys up there and take a good photo . Isnt that right Mr Sh... Cas..... lol. It would be interesting to see what protocols you ran under whilst working as a " paramedic" under alans ambulance considering he only did his IP a few years back. Interesting what insurances would have applied during tuning days too. Nothing like having a rider come off with an LOC and be transported back to the medical centre sitting on the back of a quad bike with
a collar on . 
a collar on .
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