More idots AND they have the nerve to ask how to get out....

JG-103 · Post by **JG-103** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:52 pm

Sunday night, me and my mate saw a car speedin down Gilmore Ave (80ks or so in a 60k zone) in leda, at first we thought it was some stupid hoon, so we followed it and would u know it it was VR106

-unmarked car- speeding to do some stupid 328 job in Bertram. I know this as i had my scanner wit me and had heard it was booked to a job in bertram and we followed who we thought was a hoon all the way to bertram and to the street the 328 was on, then to hear em say thay was of at the job). Good thing i waited for that car b4 i pulled out!!!

So why didnt the speed limit apply to them??????

brad_88 · Post by **brad_88** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:59 pm

it should apply to cops hey. a few months ago two coppers on seperate bikes were doin 80 in a 70, i followed them for a few ks thinkin they were goin somewhere, but then they pulled a random car over.

cops aint above the law theyre just there to enforce it i reckon. or am i wrong lol

Post by **vk6hgr** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:00 pm

JG-103 wrote:Two nights ago, VR106- unmarked car was tearing (80 ks or so) down Gilmore Ave in Leda which is a 60 k zone, jus to get to a job which involved a car doing burnouts in a park, so why doesnt the law apply to him???

Read the Road Traffic Code. Emergency vehciles can travel above the speed limit without lights and sirens (the Code says "warning alarms" or something silly) under certain circumstances.

just.nosey · Post by **just.nosey** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:01 pm

There is no evidence that I can be provide at least at this time The Police Service are using the SV6 in the interim until the cars are built and trial ed in the East and it could be as much as a year or more away as no time frame has been provided or even suggested.

Mr. O'callaghan (The Commissioner Of Police) did say in an interview on TV there was a strong case for the return of the V8 and he and the Police Union were looking at the various issues in relation to their return and issue to certain sections but didn't elaborate.

I did hear that these V8's could come from the Ford XR stable but these are chinese wispers and nothing more.

One could reasonabley assume these sections would be T.E.G. and possibly M.I.G.

Michael Dean President of the Police Union said their opinion is there needs to be a purpose Police Vehcile built and not Family Sedans that are currently used now and the Commissoner agreed.

The current Commissioner of Police in W.A. did quite a long stint in Traffic in his career and is very Pro Traffic and has been seen in the Northbridge area on the odd Friday and Saturday night riding a bike with an AZ (yes Mirrabooka) callsign.

His Personnel Police Car is an XR6 which to me, gives an indication he maybe pro Ford as he is allowed to choose the make and model he drives within reason of course.

It is no secret that Ford and Holden have been working closely with the Police Services in Qld, NSW, and Victoria and that S.A. and W.A. have jumped on the wagon as well.

How far this has progressed I have no idea but this is evidenced by the trial of the 4 door crewman which apart from a couple of small issues has been given the big thumbs up.

While it is true there were safety concerns about the V8 and in fairness to both Holden and Ford there has been significant improvements to both cars and more so in the last 3 years.

However of greater concern was the budget. During the reign of Mr. Falconer each district was given a percentage of the overall budget and the District Superintendant was turned into more of a manager. He was expected to manage the budget and impliment constraints to ensure he didn't blow his budget and was considered incompetent if he did.

The cost of repairs (police cars do not carry comprehensive insurance) and fuel fell in the lime light and it was successfully argued that there was no need for V8's in the metro area. This also saw the move from the Police Service owning their own vehciles to leasing their cars.

This was a Liberal State Government initiative back in the days of the Court Government which saw them locked into a 2 year plus 2 year deal with the leasing company.

From memory each vehicle was leased for 4 years meaning that there is still a few leased vehicles in their fleet today.

Police policy was and I think still is that their owned vehicles are changed at 40k or over every 2 years which ever comes first where as leased vehicles are every 4 years regardless of milage and these can be indentified when escorting females for example when time and milage are exchanged with VKI their milage is far higher than the prescribed 40k.

There are a couple of exceptions to this rule the Booze Buses come to mind along with the a couple of specialist vehicles belonging to the Forensic Unit, the trucks belonging to the Mounted Section and I would imagine the District Mobile Police Facility vehicles. No doubt there are others as well.

This proved to be a more expensive option than was 1st forecast so, as the vehicles leases have expired they have been replaced with vehicles owned by the Police Service.

Because the Police service is able to buy the vehicles and get a fleet discount and of course don't pay state taxes other than heavily discounted registration and the normal third party insurance they are able to sell the cars at auction and recover almost the entire cost of the replacement car.

This is all common knowledge and has been in the newspapers and on TV more than once over the years in various articles and item.

I might be new here but one thing you will fast learn about me is that I don't tell lies and if I am unsure about something I will say so and I will endeavour to research the correct information.

Post by **vk6hgr** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:03 pm

just.nosey wrote:
Because the Police service is able to buy the vehicles and get a fleet discount and of course don't pay state taxes other than heavily discounted registration and the normal third party insurance they are able to sell the cars at auction and recover almost the entire cost of the replacement car.

Interesting post just.nosey.

However, if the police do get a custom 'police special' vehicle how will they hope to resell it? Surely they don't want crims to just buy last year's police vehicles at auction...

JG-103 · Post by **JG-103** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:11 pm

Thats bull, a 328 shouldnt mean that they can do any speed they like, they should have to stick to the speed limits just like the rest of us unless they are going sirens and/or lights-in this case didnt warrant the use of !!!

just.nosey · Post by **just.nosey** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:12 pm

I have no idea what form the changes to the vehicles may take be it a different chip or something else.

They seemed to manage in the old days remember the XD and XE 5.8 litre (351) V8s? I bought one (XD) at auction but then again I never gave the Police cause to either chase me or even pull me over for that matter.

Post by **vk6hgr** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:14 pm

JG-103 wrote:Thats bull, a 328 shouldnt mean that they can do any speed they like, they should have to stick to the speed limits just like the rest of us unless they are going sirens and/or lights!!!

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/wa/c ... /s280.html

Exemption for drivers of emergency vehicles (police officers)

280 . Exemption for drivers of emergency vehicles (police officers)

(1) A provision of these regulations does not apply to the driver of an emergency vehicle being used for official duties by a police officer if —

(a) in the circumstances —

(i) the driver is taking reasonable care; and

(ii) it is reasonable that the provision should not apply;

and

(b) the vehicle is a motor vehicle that is moving and the vehicle is displaying a blue or red flashing light or sounding an alarm.

(2) Subregulation (1)(b) does not apply to the driver if, in the circumstances, it is reasonable —

(a) not to display the light or sound the alarm; or

(b) for the vehicle not to be fitted or equipped with a blue or red flashing light or an alarm.

JG-103 · Post by **JG-103** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:17 pm

anybody can take reasonable care whilst speeding!!!

hitman · Post by **hitman** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:17 pm

Thanks for the reply just.nosey

From a logical point of view it makes absolutely no sense for any police department in Australia to move to V8 vehicles.

At the end of the day for example, unless you are chasing someone from the start to the end of the Nullabor the SV6 (or any V6 supercharged vehicle) is a better choice. They are lighter, use less fuel, they weigh less which of course means they handle better in emergency driving, they cost less, and are much quicker then a V8 for acceleration. The one and only advantage of the Police going to V8 is the top end power which I believe is an advantage they would never need.

I can't see the MIG engaging pursuits over the nullabor any time soon. When the majority of their pursuits are thru the suburbs they need something light and quick on it's feet.

Moving to V8 vehicles is rediculous. I have always liked the current Police Commissioner, I think he is more kick ass then previous and is more pro-active. Surely he realises that V8 vehicles aren't necessary.

I think a fleet of WRX STi or Evolutions would be a better idea, especially for pursuit driving. You really have to be a terrible driver to mishandle one of those beasts.

Plus, Walks would look much better driving a rice burner then a heavy SV6 *cough*

just.nosey · Post by **just.nosey** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:20 pm

I said I thought it was Section 280 my memory is better than I thought

JG-103 · Post by **JG-103** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:26 pm

he wouldnt have been driving with reasonable car if some kid ran out of the school zone or if i had pulled out!!! He is still a hoon in my books, jus like anybody else who does 80ks in a 60k zone for no good reason (and a 328 is not a good reason).

Ludacris · Post by **Ludacris** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:36 pm

JG-103 wrote:he wouldnt have been driving with reasonable car if some kid ran out of the school zone or if i had pulled out!!! He is still a hoon in my books, jus like anybody else who does 80ks in a 60k zone for no good reason (and a 328 is not a good reason).

Well if you feel that bad about it dob him in and stop whinging.... This site is getting as bad as every other website....

just.nosey · Post by **just.nosey** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 3:12 pm

Hitman I find myself in total disagreement with your opinion which of course you are entitled to, and I totally respect.

I do agree that both the STI and the WRX handle better than most cars on the road (having driven both) in fact I would suggest they are probably in the top 5 of the cars on the road in Australia... but keep reading .

However how many times have you heard a pursuit head to The Tonkin, The Roe, even The Reid as well as the Fwys where the Police Vehicle has been unable to get even close.

There is still a Boss Pursuit Ute that was stolen about 6 weeks ago still floating around out there which has been seen from time to time and the Police have nothing that can get even close to it.

There are issues using Vehicles such as the WRX and the STI in much the same way as there was when the Police went to Cordia Turbos back in the mid 80's with the Turbo.

I don't understand the finer points of the issue basically the turbo was blowing up when the motor was switched off after the motor had been worked hard if the turbo wasn't allowed to cool or slow down or something like that and it's still an issue with the current models of the STI and WRX.

I have 2 friends who own one of each and both of them have fitted Turbo Timers to their cars however it should be noted that Turbo Timers are still illegal in this state.

It's interesting to note that in NSW the inner metro pursuit cars are all 6 cyl's and the highway cars are V8's so there maybe some merit to your thoughts.

Tom · Post by **Tom** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 3:55 pm

"it should apply to cops hey. a few months ago two coppers on seperate bikes were doin 80 in a 70, i followed them for a few ks thinkin they were goin somewhere, but then they pulled a random car over.

cops aint above the law theyre just there to enforce it i reckon. or am i wrong lol"

"he wouldnt have been driving with reasonable car if some kid ran out of the school zone or if i had pulled out!!! He is still a hoon in my books, jus like anybody else who does 80ks in a 60k zone for no good reason (and a 328 is not a good reason)".

For f*ck sake guys can we STOP turning this into a Cop bashing thread.

JG103, deal with it or go and buy a box of tissues. I don't know about other board members but a 328 is a serious offence. Put it this way if it was one of your family members getting a flogging would you want the Police to drive at 50km/h??

At the end of the day 99.9% of Police do and excellent job and serve the people of WA honestly and with integrity. If it wasn't for the boys and girls in blue the people of WA would be screwed.

This site has gone to sh*t recently, ever since byte came aboard.

Police CAN exceed the posted limit without emergency devices activated, we've had this discussion in the past.

With regards to cars the upcoming VE Commodore will come standard with a 190kw motor same as the current SV6's.

As an SV6 owner you can't compare a standard Executive Commodore to an SV6, the handling/acceleration and braking isn't anything alike. In my opinion Traffic metro and country and MIG's should all have SV6's. There aren't too many cars on the road that will beat it up to 110km/h

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At Auction they also have a higher resale value.

cheers

Tom