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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:50 pm
by Toottoot
Are the streets around Subi oval the jurisdiction of MRWA? I thought they would have been council managed.
Now:
ceeses wrote:written_ficton wrote:Who does the traffic enforcement [beside WAPOL] round subiaco on special events i.e road closures
they are shocking!
i.e road closures
If the police are cautioning/booking the traffic controllers at the events, then the police are
enforcing the traffic rules while the contractors are
controlling the traffic.
So if someone asks "
Who does the traffic enforcement [beside WAPOL] round subiaco on special events i.e road closures they are shocking!" then they are still asking who enforces the traffic rules at the road closures.
Control
Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:07 pm
by jasonjag
Toottoot wrote:Are the streets around Subi oval the jurisdiction of MRWA? I thought they would have been council managed.
All Roads come under MRWA, then sub to the local council, ie, if a road around subi oval needs to be detoured, local council need to apply to MRWA with thier plan then engage a traffic control company to carry out the work, local council can carry out minor road detours, ie if they were replacing a storm dran and close off one lane,,,,,but road blocks and detours are different., they still then need to engage a contractor, but on the other hand, City of Stirling is one have their own traffic control team, but still need to apply to MRWA 1st,
Re: Control
Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:32 pm
by Toottoot
jasonjag wrote:Toottoot wrote:Are the streets around Subi oval the jurisdiction of MRWA? I thought they would have been council managed.
All Roads come under MRWA, then sub to the local council, ie, if a road around subi oval needs to be detoured, local council need to apply to MRWA with thier plan then engage a traffic control company to carry out the work, local council can carry out minor road detours, ie if they were replacing a storm dran and close off one lane,,,,,but road blocks and detours are different., they still then need to engage a contractor, but on the other hand, City of Stirling is one have their own traffic control team, but still need to apply to MRWA 1st,
Do you have a source jasonjag? I was under the impression that the traffic control plans we get done at work only have to be submitted to local council - unless the road is under control of MRWA (ie larger arterial roads and highways).
I remember the old system where if you do road works you have to notify all emergency services also.
Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:50 pm
by written_ficton
Toottoot wrote:Are the streets around Subi oval the jurisdiction of MRWA? I thought they would have been council managed.
Now:
ceeses wrote:written_ficton wrote:Who does the traffic enforcement [beside WAPOL] round subiaco on special events i.e road closures
they are shocking!
i.e road closures
If the police are cautioning/booking the traffic controllers at the events, then the police are
enforcing the traffic rules while the contractors are
controlling the traffic.
So if someone asks "
Who does the traffic enforcement [beside WAPOL] round subiaco on special events i.e road closures they are shocking!" then they are still asking who enforces the traffic rules at the road closures.
correct
Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:57 pm
by jasonjag
Toottoot wrote:Are the streets around Subi oval the jurisdiction of MRWA? I thought they would have been council managed.
Now:
ceeses wrote:written_ficton wrote:Who does the traffic enforcement [beside WAPOL] round subiaco on special events i.e road closures
they are shocking!
i.e road closures
If the police are cautioning/booking the traffic controllers at the events, then the police are
enforcing the traffic rules while the contractors are
controlling the traffic.
So if someone asks "
Who does the traffic enforcement [beside WAPOL] round subiaco on special events i.e road closures they are shocking!" then they are still asking who enforces the traffic rules at the road closures.
This is correct....If the police are cautioning/booking the traffic controllers at the events, then the police are enforcing the traffic rules while the contractors are controlling the traffic. but are you saying the police are infringing the traffic controllers ??
Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:06 pm
by Toottoot
Someone pointed out that the police were chatting the contractors so they may have been issuing infringements to the traffic controllers or they may have been merely cautions.
Re: correct
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:00 am
by Q4004
jasonjag wrote:Toottoot wrote:Are the streets around Subi oval the jurisdiction of MRWA? I thought they would have been council managed.
Now:
ceeses wrote:
If the police are cautioning/booking the traffic controllers at the events, then the police are
enforcing the traffic rules while the contractors are
controlling the traffic.
So if someone asks "
Who does the traffic enforcement [beside WAPOL] round subiaco on special events i.e road closures they are shocking!" then they are still asking who enforces the traffic rules at the road closures.
This is correct....If the police are cautioning/booking the traffic controllers at the events, then the police are enforcing the traffic rules while the contractors are controlling the traffic. but are you saying the police are infringing the traffic controllers ??
The Police Block off All Streets that go from Hay Street to Roberts Road that directly look at Subiaco Oval to manage the crowds.Police do the traffic at Subiaco Oval on the road
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:10 am
by gkoutlis
I've seen WARP - do the road closures with Traffic cones etc - Police are there for Traffic control partly - along with the Rangers - But I am sure from being on duty many times there that WARP - do the traffic stuff their not WAPOL
Re: correct
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:16 pm
by written_ficton
Q4004 wrote:jasonjag wrote:Toottoot wrote:Are the streets around Subi oval the jurisdiction of MRWA? I thought they would have been council managed.
Now:
If the police are cautioning/booking the traffic controllers at the events, then the police are enforcing the traffic rules while the contractors are controlling the traffic.
So if someone asks "Who does the traffic enforcement [beside WAPOL] round subiaco on special events i.e road closures they are shocking!" then they are still asking who enforces the traffic rules at the road closures.
This is correct....If the police are cautioning/booking the traffic controllers at the events, then the police are enforcing the traffic rules while the contractors are controlling the traffic. but are you saying the police are infringing the traffic controllers ??
The Police Block off All Streets that go from Hay Street to Roberts Road that directly look at Subiaco Oval to manage the crowds.Police do the traffic at Subiaco Oval on the road
No they dont, thats why I asked the question. There is a company who actually close's the streets to the ovel / secondary roads.
The police are there for crowd control - support
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:12 pm
by WPXZBP
Traffic crash leaves two in serious condition
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008 ... 216332.htm
... a sedan which skidded for 130 metres before hitting a power pole ...
Low level flying?
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:39 pm
by yorky
This also knocked power out to Caramar including the TCL's of a nearby intersection right after the completion of the Joondalup Festival.
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:43 pm
by Smithy
WPXZBP wrote:
... a sedan which skidded for 130 metres before hitting a power pole ...
Low level flying?
must of been going pretty quick
just a quick observation on my behalf
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:08 pm
by WPXZBP
Smithy wrote:must of been going pretty quick
just a quick observation on my behalf
Based on the info from the article and an assumption that the road surface friction coefficient is between 0.5 and 0.8, a rough calculation shows the car would be doing between 125 and 160 km/h.
{speed = square root of (30 x 426 feet x .8 friction coefficient) then times by 1.6 to convert to km/h}
http://accidentexpert.com/engr/skidart1-a.html
TA Concrete truck
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:16 pm
by jasonjag
A fully laden concrete mixer rounded out of Karrinyup Rd into Telford, Stirling and rolled, concrete all over rd, Truck write off, AZ202 & AZ203 attended, Council road sweepers, bobcat and 2 tippers to clean up, and 6 council workers leaning against brooms, heavy recovery haulage rolled it back and towed it way, see Ch 10 and 9 news. 1330pm
Re: TA Concrete truck
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:17 pm
by written_ficton
jasonjag wrote:A fully laden concrete mixer rounded out of Karrinyup Rd into Telford, Stirling and rolled, concrete all over rd, Truck write off, AZ202 & AZ203 attended, Council road sweepers, bobcat and 2 tippers to clean up, and 6 council workers leaning against brooms, heavy recovery haulage rolled it back and towed it way, see Ch 10 and 9 news. 1330pm
Council workers eh..... whats new