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JG, No matter the number of fire appliances you have available, you're never going to tackle something as big as the fire was today, with the weather conditions as they were (also keep in mind, another large fire had already started on the darling scarp in the City of Swan).

No lives have been lost - and considering the estimated 2000-4000 visitors at the park at the time, that is a testament to the excellent work by the police, park rangers and firefighters.

From someone that was part of the initial response to this fire, your comments are way off the mark. What you hear on the radio is only a very small fraction of what goes on.

(and please, follow ups to http://warsug.info/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=1718)

well that is a great effort by all the brigades(FRS BFB and others who went) to put out a fire like that.I saw the footage on the news and it was huge.a great job and well done to all firefighters who went and helped out.

Leigh wrote:This afternoon is a great example of how inadequate our fire service is and how mismanaged it is. Maybe under-funded is a better term.

i think the resources are spot on to stop major bushfires i just think its silly when u hear them saying "whiteman park control villae sectr we need 5 more light tankers here urgently""sorry village sector we havent anymore resources to give u" honestly ther are probably about 30 lts south of the river that couldve attended this fire they knew the risks and the weather they shouldve got more than 3 bfbs and 3 frs brigades i wouldve thought overkill wouldve been better than less considering what was at stake

also we had numerous frs brigades turning out later leaving patches in the metro area and havign to have other brigades cover them

shouldve sent in the sor bushies

good job to all those that attended considering they got it under control with the resources they had

u could certainly tell which sort of fire body was running the show

my 2c

chris

dalgety control has stood down all vehicles left it with calm for 10 minutes all vehicles leavng the fireground

crews will be doing patrols through the night size was 100hectares

also lots if vehicles still goin to whiteman park lota of sor bushies all wer good for is mop up now

chris

Leigh wrote:Qubec 38?Thats a new one.

Quebec 38 is the SES Communications Unit.. the OKA based out of Belmont HQ. They are often sent out to fires to set up portable repeaters (eg, chan 29 and 31).

meg wrote:No, it's because it's in a BFB area - Whiteman Park is in the career firies zone.

For the record, MOST of Whiteman Park (including that affected by the fire) is in West Swan's fire district.

Fastlane wrote:

meg wrote:No, it's because it's in a BFB area - Whiteman Park is in the career firies zone.

For the record, MOST of Whiteman Park (including that affected by the fire) is in West Swan's fire district.

Thanks for that Fastlane - I didn't realise that.

Cheers!

Fastlane wrote:

meg wrote:No, it's because it's in a BFB area - Whiteman Park is in the career firies zone.

For the record, MOST of Whiteman Park (including that affected by the fire) is in West Swan's fire district.

they wer at the dalgety incident wernt they that explains why they wernt ther
also waneroo cheif was ther shouldnt he have mobilised the strike team or more bushfire appliances or was dm north east incharge, heard some superitendent ther or something
i also think its a it silly to have like 2 7.2s at an incient that big and like 5 hydrants out of order when u have numerous 7.2s and 9.2s down here which they kew wer needed obviously just call em if the water stops ina remote area....... good job to cfm cockburn to mobilise jandakot 9.2 i ay whn he arrived

chris

I agree with ya chris, but in the end they got them 30 000L water tankers down, but still at the time...

Just want to say how good Sector Commander Vanderlinden was for an frs member, he at least went around the fire ground and what not unlike some, and he's a top bloke, along with the crew from Perth 2nd who helped us inflate our tyres using ?their? pumper, good bunch, its good when you get frs blokes with respect for us volunteers like them and Vandalinden.

JG-103 wrote:I agree with ya chris, but in the end they got them 30 000L water tankers down, but still at the time...

Just want to say how good Sector Commander Vanderlinden was for an frs member, he at least went around the fire ground and what not unlike some, and he's a top bloke, along with the crew from Perth 2nd who helped us inflate our tyres using ?their? pumper, good bunch, its good when you get frs blokes with respect for us volunteers like them and Vandalinden.

Respect is a two way street. You will usually get the amount that you are seen to deserve. If you give people you engage with the respect they deserve, you will usually get it in return. If you think you are better than someone, then expect to be treated with no respect in return.

Given your recent banter about the BFS being so much better than FRS and that no-one at an incident can make a good decision unless they are using BFS resources, then I would be inclined to have a lower level of respect for you. Impressions are easily set, but difficult to reshape.

kylep wrote: Given your recent banter about the BFS being so much better than FRS

I never once said that BFB are better than FRS, you and fastlane and what not presumed in your own minds that that was what i was sayin...

All i said is that it would have taken less time due to the fact that frs only have a lt and needs to be refilling up so often compared to that of a 3.4 from a bfb and what not...

NOT ONCE did i say BFB are better than FRS .. if i didnt have respect for the job frs, then why would i want to be in frs as a career ??? Sounds a bit stupid becoming an frs member if you dont have respect for them and what they do
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kylep wrote: Respect is a two way street. You will usually get the amount that you are seen to deserve. If you give people you engage with the respect they deserve, you will usually get it in return.

Damn straight its a two way street, so when a volunteer birgade (weather it be frs or vfrs or any other volunteer brigade) ask what u guys (frs or any other paid brigade) want us to do, dont go giving us attitude, we are giving up our own time to help you guys out and to protect the community, and if your going to be jerks to us as soon as we arrive and when we havent been rude or displayed attitude towards you guys, then expect the same...

Same can also be said between volunteer brigades, no one likes been given a bad attitude towards them. Treat the other brigade and their members the way you'd like yourself and your brigade to be treated.

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kylep wrote: and that no-one at an incident can make a good decision unless they are using BFS resources

Seriously where do u guys get these presumptions from

All iv been saying is that u need bfb's at a bushfire like that of whiteman park, sure frs could have handled that fire without BFB's, but then we wouldnt have had many frs brigades left to protect the community now would we, think logically...
You dont need a BFB at a car fire in order for them to make a good decision
nor at a house fire because bfb's dont have the experience nor training like frs do
nor at a mva.... etc etc.

BFB's have specialised in the area of fighting bush fires.. .you said it yourself

kylep wrote:
In some instances, this means that Volunteers are better equipped, trained and experienced in dealing with Bush and Scrub incidents than Career FFs.

and frs are specialised in their own area of expertise

kylep wrote: There is no doubt that when it comes to dealing with many structure, CBR, Hazmat etc incidents, then Career firefighters should perform better than Volunteers, and certainly BFS FFs - as BFS are not trained in these

So when you have a massive fire like that, then why not use us (bfb) as soon as possible, yeah so the bfb NOR where streched, but there are bfb's willing to help SOR.

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Also what iv been tryin to put accross this whole time is that if you guys (frs) have a volunteer brigade in your area, and your at a 2nd alarm bushfire or what not, then why not call them out, instead of having 3 frs brigades for example at a 2nd alarm bush fire with extra resources or what ever you want to call it, which then requires other frs brigades to cover them ( ie freo 1st coming down to rocko etc) and requiring crew change over and what not, when you could do it with just one frs brigade and a BFB or so... i dont see the logic in it.

Thats all iv been tryin to say, maybe i didnt say go about it the right way, maybe i didnt say it in the right way-maybe thats why you all got the wrong idea and got this presumption i was baggin out frs and what not when it was far from it..

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As for respect for frs, trust me when i say i have high respect for them, weather u believe me or not i dont care, but i do, otherwise i wouldnt want to join them for starters.

If they (frs) treat us like dirt when we havent done anything to them nor provoked them, then as you said Kylep, its a 2 way street, expect the same.

As i said, i never once said that bfb's are better than frs, and im sorry if you got that idea from my posts, but thats not what i was saying nor what i meant by my posts

I think iv explained my self enough for one day
Oh yer and this isnt an attack on you Kylep, im just defending the comments you made against me

roger jg he has respect for frs

chris

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why bitch and fight at who does what better everyone does the same thing except one gets paid the other doesnt

WPXZBP wrote:

JG-103 wrote:Damn straight its a two way street, so when we (volunteers) ask what u guys (frs) want us to do, ...

I think you will find that kylep is a VOLUNTEER F&RS member as am I.

u guys (frs)- its directed at the frs warsug members