WA Radio Scanner Users' Group

AVBFS wrote:yer but think about it if we in here find out the freqs then they go on the forum which allows people access to the freqs not meaning us the one that dont do stupid things but all the other idiots that mite and that means a risk to safety at the race so its best not to release them at all. and besides we can just search for them on the day.

I understand what you're saying, but I think it's a little pompous of the RBAR organisers to suggest that the radio frequencies in use are some kind of state secret when, as you say, it'll be fairly easy to find out on the day.

It just irritates me that this kind of thing goes on - the information itself I'm sure is public - as Jasonjag says, it's happening in Perth's airspace, so surely some kind of official paperwork has to be lodged requesting the use of certain frequencies in the air band. And once that paperwork is lodged with ... whoever ... (CASA?), then it should be publicly available.

Radio scanning has always been seen as a somewhat shady hobby, and I'm tired of the implication that wanting to know things like frequencies means you must be up to no good. I'm determined to stick to the letter of the law, which says that listening to any radio frequency that's not carrying a telephone call is perfectly legal. That's the basis that this site operates on. If the information is legal and public, it's welcome.

So, if anyone DOES come across information about what frequencies will be in use at the RBAR, please post 'em up!

Zebedee wrote:

written_ficton wrote:I agree with Jo's statement

Really?

In what way does it "open the airwaves to interference and potential chatter" when someone is merely "listening in"?

Listening is a passive activity that, the last time I checked, causes absolutely no interference.

Agree but there are some di******* in today's society that will abuse this and stuff everything up!

That's why this should remain confidential.... however do some research on the previous years......

I have sent off another e-mail to them, and i am keeping an active eye on NAIPS for any NOTAMS or Restricted Airspace updates

Nafenn wrote:I have sent off another e-mail to them, and i am keeping an active eye on NAIPS for any NOTAMS or Restricted Airspace updates

We all know what NAIPS stands for don't we? Never Actually Intended to Provide a Service

Cheers, CC

As far as I know all commercial AC not permitted west of 21/03 and 24/06 centerline, required to high speed climb to min 1500 ft then to 6000 ft, All other AC involved in RBAR not permitted east of Burswood, north of City skyline and West of Perth waters, not including Kings Park to Canning Bridge, not above 1500 ft. jj

6000 Ft is the standard auto release departure Altitude out of Perth

Like wise Sydney is 5000 for jets and 3000 for Props

Well have fun anyway all those that are going to go watch, I want to see lots of nice pictures in my subsection
Unfortunately I will be on a FESA workplace trainer course so that I can teach people how to get lost...talk on a radio, and probably a couple of other things while I'm at it!

ConstableCare wrote:

Nafenn wrote:I have sent off another e-mail to them, and i am keeping an active eye on NAIPS for any NOTAMS or Restricted Airspace updates

We all know what NAIPS stands for don't we? Never Actually Intended to Provide a Service

Cheers, CC

even i dont know what it stands for . Its a Pilot Breifing Service Setup by Air Services Australia.

jasonjag wrote:As far as I know all commercial AC not permitted west of 21/03 and 24/06 centerline, required to high speed climb to min 1500 ft then to 6000 ft, All other AC involved in RBAR not permitted east of Burswood, north of City skyline and West of Perth waters, not including Kings Park to Canning Bridge, not above 1500 ft. jj

Even so, there should be a NOTAM, notifying pilots of the restrictions. My understanding is that, for saftey no aircraft will be allowed it the City airspace during the races. no NOTAM yet.

I know it's not exactly what we're looking for but . . . . . the RBAR website in the FAQ section says:

Can I pick up the Red Bull Air Race frequency on the radio?
Yes, you can follow the race on FM 104.1 mhz.

Nafenn wrote:

ConstableCare wrote:

Nafenn wrote:I have sent off another e-mail to them, and i am keeping an active eye on NAIPS for any NOTAMS or Restricted Airspace updates

We all know what NAIPS stands for don't we? Never Actually Intended to Provide a Service

Cheers, CC

even i dont know what it stands for . Its a Pilot Breifing Service Setup by Air Services Australia.

I know what it is - it was meant to be funny - as in

ConstableCare wrote:

Nafenn wrote:

ConstableCare wrote: We all know what NAIPS stands for don't we? Never Actually Intended to Provide a Service

Cheers, CC

even i dont know what it stands for . Its a Pilot Breifing Service Setup by Air Services Australia.

I know what it is - it was meant to be funny - as in

*facepalm*

AIP Supplement > http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/PUB ... s8-h81.pdf

NOTAMS:

C0845/08
HOLDING FUEL ADVISORY DUE ACTIVATION OF R910
REF AIPSUP H81/08 RED BULL AIR RACE.
AIRCRAFT ARRIVING PERTH 0300-0900 - 10 MIN
AIRCRAFT CONDUCTING INSTRUMENT TRAINING - 20 MIN
FROM 10 290300 TO 11 020800

C0846/08
MISSED APCH PROC IN VMC
WHEN R910 ACT REF AIP SUP H81/08 RED BULL AIR RACE
THE FOLLOWING AMENDED MISSED APPROACH PROCEDURE IS REQUIRED
WHEN CLOUD BASE GREATER THAN 2800FT AND VISIBILITY 5KMS OR GREATER.
RWY 24 - TRACK 240 THEN NOT BELOW 1500FT TURN LEFT TRACK 195 CLIMB TO
3000FT OR AS DIRECTED BY ATC.
RWY 21 - TRACK 195 CLIMB TO 3000FT OR AS DIRECTED BY ATC RWY 03 -
TRACK 015 AT NOT BELOW 2000FT AND BEFORE 6.5DME TURN RIGHT TRACK 060
CLIMB TO 3000FT.
FROM 10 290300 TO 11 030300

Always RX wrote:AIP Supplement > http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/PUB ... s8-h81.pdf

NOTAMS:

C0845/08
HOLDING FUEL ADVISORY DUE ACTIVATION OF R910
REF AIPSUP H81/08 RED BULL AIR RACE.
AIRCRAFT ARRIVING PERTH 0300-0900 - 10 MIN
AIRCRAFT CONDUCTING INSTRUMENT TRAINING - 20 MIN
FROM 10 290300 TO 11 020800

C0846/08
MISSED APCH PROC IN VMC
WHEN R910 ACT REF AIP SUP H81/08 RED BULL AIR RACE
THE FOLLOWING AMENDED MISSED APPROACH PROCEDURE IS REQUIRED
WHEN CLOUD BASE GREATER THAN 2800FT AND VISIBILITY 5KMS OR GREATER.
RWY 24 - TRACK 240 THEN NOT BELOW 1500FT TURN LEFT TRACK 195 CLIMB TO
3000FT OR AS DIRECTED BY ATC.
RWY 21 - TRACK 195 CLIMB TO 3000FT OR AS DIRECTED BY ATC RWY 03 -
TRACK 015 AT NOT BELOW 2000FT AND BEFORE 6.5DME TURN RIGHT TRACK 060
CLIMB TO 3000FT.
FROM 10 290300 TO 11 030300

Cheers Always RX, guess i was looking in the wrong place

That reminds me. Is there a way to find out what permanent NOTAMs are in place around Perth (not just red bull)?

robbage wrote:That reminds me. Is there a way to find out what permanent NOTAMs are in place around Perth (not just red bull)?

Yes, NAIPS - http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/brief/

Registration is free... after registered click on Area Briefing, type in Flight ID (anything, dosent matter), and Area 9600.

NOTAMS are down the bottom