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and line of sight at a round-a-bout hehe oh wellConstableCare wrote:Looks like the vehicle is obstructing a footpath... Wonder if the Rangers gave them a fine?
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ConstableCare wrote:Looks like the vehicle is obstructing a footpath... Wonder if the Rangers gave them a fine?
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Tell that to the 2 police officers that parked their car on the verge illegaly while they went and got lunch...It's an emergency vehicle only when the lights are flashing and siren wailing unless pulled over in which case at least the lights are flashing. If we get caught speeding and we're not under lights and sirens...guess what, we get a fine and where applicable lose demerit points.written_ficton wrote:ConstableCare wrote:Looks like the vehicle is obstructing a footpath... Wonder if the Rangers gave them a fine?
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Rangers cannot give them a fine, these are classed as 'Emergency Vechile's"
It's not as clear-cut as you think. The rules in the Road Traffic Code are slightly different for Police vehicles than all other emergency vehicles. In fact a Police Vehicle (marked or otherwise) can legally exceed the speed limit without lights and sirens, however, they'd need to be able to prove that it was reasonable given the circumstances. You'll also find a Police Vehicle is always considered an emergency vehicle whilst being used for official duties (whatever they may be), whereas a Fire Appliance or Ambulance are only considered emergency vehicles whilst going to a fire "where human life is reasonably considered to be in danger" or "answering an urgent call or conveying any injured or sick person..." respectively.Tyranus wrote:Tell that to the 2 police officers that parked their car on the verge illegaly while they went and got lunch...It's an emergency vehicle only when the lights are flashing and siren wailing unless pulled over in which case at least the lights are flashing. If we get caught speeding and we're not under lights and sirens...guess what, we get a fine and where applicable lose demerit points.written_ficton wrote:Rangers cannot give them a fine, these are classed as 'Emergency Vechile's"
If the van is parked across a path illegaly then the rangers are well within their right to give it a ticket, however I think you'd find most would use a bit of disgression, and probably leave it.
You could argue that getting your lunch isn't a reasonable reason for a parking law to to apply. But remember, this is for offences against the Road Traffic Act, which are not administered or enforced by Local Govt. If they got fined, it was likely by the force itself.282. Stopping and parking exemption for emergency vehicles,
police vehicles and authorised persons
(1) A provision of Part 12 does not apply to the driver of an
emergency vehicle or a vehicle being used for routine official
duties by a member of the Police Force if, in the
circumstances —
(a) the driver is taking reasonable care; and
(b) it is reasonable that the provision should not apply.
Chill gk! I believe the previous post to yours on this subject was from a mod for this very section. The discussion isn't nasty or narky, so why quell healthy discussion? Isn't that what a forum is for?gkoutlis wrote:Guys!!!
We are going way-off Topic here - this is not the place to be badgering the way Police vehicles park. If you have a problem with it, rather than bitch about it to everyone - complain to the respective Police Station - not on this Section or anywhere else.
Consider this an official warning. Next step will be to lock this thread.
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When you refer to "we", are you refering to work you may have done as a parking inspector or range? Who told you this information? Is it based on LAW (very much doubt it). More likely the information given to you is based on courtisy to the members of these emergency services and an understanding that they generally park in certain "illegal" areas so they can be close to their vehicles. I think you will find that statement given to you is not based on law.written_ficton wrote:Well we are told if its an emergency vechile wether FESA, WAPOL, or SJA as long as you know its an emergency vechile then do not fine it.
Clear, cut plain and simple. I stand by my previous post - case closed! [-o< [-o<
Case closed - pah!written_ficton wrote:Well we are told if its an emergency vechile wether FESA, WAPOL, or SJA as long as you know its an emergency vechile then do not fine it.
Clear, cut plain and simple. I stand by my previous post - case closed! [-o< [-o<
Work that I have done yes, three councils that I know of simply disregard emergency vechiles. However, if someone else decided to take them to court then that is a different matter.observer wrote:When you refer to "we", are you refering to work you may have done as a parking inspector or range? Who told you this information? Is it based on LAW (very much doubt it). More likely the information given to you is based on courtisy to the members of these emergency services and an understanding that they generally park in certain "illegal" areas so they can be close to their vehicles. I think you will find that statement given to you is not based on law.written_ficton wrote:Well we are told if its an emergency vechile wether FESA, WAPOL, or SJA as long as you know its an emergency vechile then do not fine it.
Clear, cut plain and simple. I stand by my previous post - case closed! [-o< [-o<
Say an incident occured which was caused by, for example, an ambulance parked in a no parking zone, and the ambulance wasn't attending an incident, they were getting lunch. There would be no place for the driver to hide and would most likely be charged. The law in no way allows an Ambulance, SES or Fire Brigade vehicle to break any road rule at any time unless they are responding to an incident, as defined in the traffic act.
Where did the woman come into this??????? The car is parked on the roundabout.... bid deal..... - NO WOMAN, no if or but scenes..... Its a van parked on the roundabout.....Toottoot wrote:And the other thing is if a woman did get hit by a car and it came out in court that the old man across the road had a photo of the police officer talking to a local government ranger in the morning when they were setting it up, and the ranger didn't say anything to the police officer but instead said it was a good idea and the boss says we don't have to worry about police cars because they can park wherever they want, then it could be argued that the ranger and his boss both failed in their duty of care and were partly responsible for the accident.
Bit of a long bow but these things can end up as convoluted as that.
That seems to be the issue these days. People don't seem to be able to think for themselves. Can't see whats around the corner. I'm not having a go at you specifically so please don't think that.written_ficton wrote:Where did the woman come into this??????? The car is parked on the roundabout.... bid deal..... - NO WOMAN, no if or but scenes..... Its a van parked on the roundabout.....Toottoot wrote:And the other thing is if a woman did get hit by a car and it came out in court that the old man across the road had a photo of the police officer talking to a local government ranger in the morning when they were setting it up, and the ranger didn't say anything to the police officer but instead said it was a good idea and the boss says we don't have to worry about police cars because they can park wherever they want, then it could be argued that the ranger and his boss both failed in their duty of care and were partly responsible for the accident.
Bit of a long bow but these things can end up as convoluted as that.
least they are having an active presence in the suburb!