PFO wrote:but as ithink MMW said on a previous post. SJA have actually worked along side another ?company at an event recently, even alas have done a few events in which sja were present, so why not call another provider if they are under the pump.Instead of losing the job totally they could use some assistance and still make money off them??
I would bet my left nut that they were not working together. More like the fact that the company in question may have offered their services at a drastically reduced rate or FREE. They would have been told prior to the event that SJA are in charge and SJA would have told event co coordinators that they will not be held accountable for the other companies stuff ups and not be answering to them. This is not working in unison. It shows contempt for other companies and allows them to be seen with SJA but not working for or necessarily with SJA.
[quote="Herpes"][quote="PFO"]but as ithink MMW said on a previous post. SJA have actually worked along side another ?company at an event recently, even alas have done a few events in which sja were present, so why not call another provider if they are under the pump.Instead of losing the job totally they could use some assistance and still make money off them??[/quote]
I would bet my left nut that they were not working together. More like the fact that the company in question may have offered their services at a drastically reduced rate or FREE. They would have been told prior to the event that SJA are in charge and SJA would have told event co coordinators that they will not be held accountable for the other companies stuff ups and not be answering to them. This is not working in unison. It shows contempt for other companies and allows them to be seen with SJA but not working for or necessarily with SJA.
I am still dumber than a second ago![/quote]so what are you trying to say here is that you are either pro sja or been stung in the ass by various providers in both cheeks
Not at all. I am just stating simple facts. Unfortunately I can not dumb it down any more for you.
SJA dont work with or for other F.A or Ambulance providers.
They may be seen with other companies at the same events, but they do not operate under SJA policy or procedures or medical direction. I am unsure where you are trying to go with this?????
[quote="Herpes"]Not at all. I am just stating simple facts. Unfortunately I can not dumb it down any more for you.
SJA dont work with or for other F.A or Ambulance providers.
They may be seen with other companies at the same events, but they do not operate under SJA policy or procedures or medical direction. I am unsure where you are trying to go with this?????
Me finks PFO on sauce last night[/quote] NAH but on second bourbon now I guess the point im making is that if sja changed their train of thought, they could make even more money by utilising other providers and earning money off them at the same time instead of giving work away, that they cant keep up with.I do agree however they are a bit my way or the highway type of system which is fine, if there wasnt room for improvement. I wonder if and when
a major provider infiltrates into WA and has all systems in place if they would have any concerns,especially if the LIBs got in on the next election?
SJA as all know will never call another provider to attend a call if there ambulance is ages away (this has been going on as long as alas has been around)
2 services working along side each other could happen like herpes said but the organisers may say "SJA are in charge" your there to back them up and in some cases SJA cant get first aid teams to make up the numbers so organisers are topping them with with private services.
In victoria a private first aid service work provide extra hands at the royal show but sja would still be the main provider, if you notice as well sja dont seem to do rolling patrols anymore at the show (well not as much as they use too)
On the weekend both first crews were in the same tent different uniforms *shrugs* sja only had 3 people the other group had way more than that, i remember at redbull air race they used alas as well as sja so im taking a stab that sja couldnt bring up the numbers for ambualnce coverage,
PFO: Your on the right train of thought with private providers and that SJA can make money off them, if they cap the transport fees a private provider will make and pocket the rest. They call it "spillover" work when a normal ambulance wont make the transfer in time or when the calls start to back up.
Totally agree with you there MMW, SJA could adopt that system and achieve better results for the community. Afterall if the community starts noticing a 45 minute wait time for a Ambulance or none arrive at all etc. In the end the government will have no option to run a government coms center. Following this offer more 000 tenders then the traditional 1. However the people will be the deciding factor. WA population is outpacing public services. So subcontracting will eventually be a option that SJA may have to consider by public pressure.
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One hospital was waiting 45mins for a ambulance to transfer a p1 patient not so long ago, p3 transfers can be delayed up to an hour.
The liberal government can change it all around BUT it would take 3 to 10 years to implement the change.
Your right about the one comm centre: Dispite some intergraph hiccups there system works well and puts police/fire/ses/ambulance all in the same building some on the same floors.
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Markmywords wrote:SJA as all know will never call another provider to attend a call if there ambulance is ages away (this has been going on as long as alas has been around)
2 services working along side each other could happen like herpes said but the organisers may say "SJA are in charge" your there to back them up and in some cases SJA cant get first aid teams to make up the numbers so organisers are topping them with with private services.
In victoria a private first aid service work provide extra hands at the royal show but sja would still be the main provider, if you notice as well sja dont seem to do rolling patrols anymore at the show (well not as much as they use too)
On the weekend both first crews were in the same tent different uniforms *shrugs* sja only had 3 people the other group had way more than that, i remember at redbull air race they used alas as well as sja so im taking a stab that sja couldnt bring up the numbers for ambualnce coverage,
PFO: Your on the right train of thought with private providers and that SJA can make money off them, if they cap the transport fees a private provider will make and pocket the rest. They call it "spillover" work when a normal ambulance wont make the transfer in time or when the calls start to back up.
I can not see SJA hiring out services using a sub-contractor basis, to ensure they get a cut. The main reason is in case the subby stuffs up, who is responsible. All training would have to be provided by SJA. This type of system has already occurred for Ambulances. The call it the SJA patient transfer buses. They are sent to AMI's etc... if an ambulance is not available. Once the first Paramedic crew is available it is dispatched to that call out.
If SJA contemplated the use of another company, it would be unlikely they would share profits on a job. PFO is having a STUPID DICKHEAD BLONDE DAY!!!!
Markmywords wrote:One hospital was waiting 45mins for a ambulance to transfer a p1 patient not so long ago, p3 transfers can be delayed up to an hour.
The liberal government can change it all around BUT it would take 3 to 10 years to implement the change.
Some P3 work waits 4+ hrs. Waiting 45 minutes for a P1 at a hospital should not be a problem for that hospital. Resources are stretched for all concerned, but the hospital should be able to deal with what is thrown @ them and if they can not, funding should be stripped from them.
I'm sure change will come over the next 10 years.. However you are right SJA are very protective over the industry. Company's would have to be a cut above the system to start really taking the work.
Hey allot things are happening on the Police Scanner down Mandurah way..
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Kyle wrote:Herpes play nice. Kyle throws tomato!! splat!@!
I'm sure change will come over next 10 years..
Eats whats left of tomato - mmmm fresssssh mold
I want change to occur, I just dont see it happening the way that is currently being discussed.
In some other states, Ambulance services have been taken over by the government. One day SJA, following day MAS, South Australian Ambulance Service. Same staff new uniform. This still does not improve the situation, but at least the government is then responsible for that service.
The only way that private ambulance services will thrive is by being independent and not trying to associate itself with SJA.
Herpes: Totally agree with what you saying, but the way the contracts are dished out under the current government no private provider will get much off a chance to flourish. The health department does not currently "Tender" but back in 1997 it was passed through parliment that it should be done that way but *shrugs* as you know system has never changed.
You dont need government contract to survive. ALAS has proven that. You can get MVA work, Mine work, First aid training, Private house calls, (no insurance), Industrial response(Kwinana Strip Workers Compensation), Sport and Event First Aid and Ambulance Providers, Country Transfers, DVA work, Corporate functions etc.....
This is what SJA and others may want you to believe. I was talking to BOB KUCERA, and he was adimit that SJA will be providing ambulance care for the state of Western Australia, but I/You could open up another service in country WA or city and there is enough work for all. You need to do your homework first, but I am telling you that there is plenty of work.
I guess the point im making is that if sja changed their train of thought, they could make even more money by utilising other providers and earning money off them at the same time instead of giving work away, that they cant keep up with.I do agree however they are a bit my way or the highway type of system which is fine, if there wasnt room for improvement. I wonder if and when