trunking systems in Perth

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Raptor50se
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trunking systems in Perth

Post by Raptor50se » Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:57 pm

Hi,

Does anyone know of any trunking systems used in Perth?

thanks

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Re: trunking systems in Perth

Post by vk6hgr » Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:40 pm

Raptor50se wrote:Hi,

Does anyone know of any trunking systems used in Perth?
Yep. There's MPT trunking at about 415Mhz and 160Mhz and a bit of Motorola Smartnet trunking in the 800Mhz band, and likely more elsewhere :-)

Mostly for non-emergency service government departments (prisons etc) and commercial comms, but haven't listened much myself.

MPT trunking is easy to montior because each conversation stays on the same channel, without a tracker it's just hard to figure out who is actually talking. Motorola Smartnet scrambles the conversation across different channels, and you really need a trunktracker scanner.
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Post by Raptor50se » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:16 am

Hi,

Thanks for the info.

I recently purchased a Uniden BC296D digital trunking scanner.

It supports the Motorola Astro 25 digital system which the WA Police are changing to in 2007.

The manual doesn't mention MPT (Motorola Xpand trunking) so I presume the BC296D won't be able to pickup this system.

As the Uniden manual is quite difficult to use do you know of any websites where someone has explained how in simpler terms to program my scanner to trunk. I think the BC250D and 796D are similar.

Also how are the computers going at Greenwood SHS. I used to be the IT guy for them too. This was about 7 years ago. I currently work for myself
and contract out to an IT firm in Perth.

Regards

Mike

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Post by earmuff man » Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:36 pm

Raptor50se wrote:Hi,

Thanks for the info.

I recently purchased a Uniden BC296D digital trunking scanner.

It supports the Motorola Astro 25 digital system which the WA Police are changing to in 2007.

The manual doesn't mention MPT (Motorola Xpand trunking) so I presume the BC296D won't be able to pickup this system.

As the Uniden manual is quite difficult to use do you know of any websites where someone has explained how in simpler terms to program my scanner to trunk. I think the BC250D and 796D are similar.

Also how are the computers going at Greenwood SHS. I used to be the IT guy for them too. This was about 7 years ago. I currently work for myself
and contract out to an IT firm in Perth.

Regards

Mike
with the police thing, wont it be encrypted anyway? (meaning you wont be able to listen 2 it)

Raptor50se
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Trunking system in Perth

Post by Raptor50se » Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:13 pm

Hi,

It doesn't mention about encryption. NSW police are supposed to be encrypted but people can monitor them ok.

Have to wait and see a friend of mine in the police saids it still is not definite yet.

Regards

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Post by godinoz » Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:30 pm

Spoke to someone in the know. The earliest that WAPOL are going to try and start trialling the new system won't be until early 2006. :roll:

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Perth Trunking Systems

Post by grant » Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:51 am

Raptor50Sse

I have prepared this for you on the Scan Australia site and notice that you were here too. In fact this can apply to anybody capable of listening to 800MHz, irregardless of whether you can trunk track. Information that can determine what frequencies the data channels are on (very noisy) or whether you can hear a 10 sec pulse (which is evidence of a LTR system) is much appreciated by myself at the very least. In fact I would appreciate any information as to what the frequencies the mpt data channels are on in the 165Mhz and 415Mhz trunking bands

Re NSW Police encryption
Encrypted APCO25 digital is the plan. Three channels (F,G,H) have been digital for 4 years since 2001. A fourth channel was added late last year (J2). The rest remains on analogue. All general duties channels on digital are still in the clear, though there is a lot of encryption goes on on the discrete crime channels. The remaining digital equipment has been bought (87 transmitters and 21 bases). The timetable for implementing the transition is starting to slip back and given Sydney's rolly polly topography testing is paramount. I can see this dragging on for another 12-18 months for the remaining 11 general duties channels. Unfortunately government money is tight ... there is a strong economic argument that the Federal Treasurer is robbing the state of 3 billion GST dollars by playing politics ... blah ... blah. Usual eastener stuff. (I have travelled to WA back in the 80's)

Anyway back to Perth trunking .... I have gone to the ACMA database to prepare this one, so it is current as at 7/9/2005.

It is a lengthy document but gives a complete list of trunking targets to work through in the 865-870Mhz range. Print it off. Decide which ones you want to have a go at. The Police enteries are the data service that is being set up. Invarialably you will find that the data is encrypted (like Telstra RD-LAP) even if you manage to decode it.

Using a bank of 50 in the trunking scanner enter a site's group of frequencies using the 800 Motorola trunking option. Scan through and find the data channel. If you have two or more data channels, then that site has two or more systems (very likely for Motorola Smartnet Central Park, Perth site). If you can hear 10 sec audible pulses then the site is a LTR or Logic Trunk Radio Site. Experiment until you can get it to track.

Have a play around and come back to me via this forum. I have a 250d myself as well as a PRO96 and am familar with MPT, Smartnet and LTR systems (we have heaps in Sydney)

Grant Searle


WESTERN AUSTRALIA 865-870MHZ
865.012500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
865.037500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
865.062500 Burswood Resort (Management) Limited (192811)
865.087500 Western Australian Police Service (203860)
865.112500 Vacant
865.137500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
865.162500 Vacant
865.187500 Ministry of Justice (204093)
865.212500 Telstra Corporation Ltd (527100)
865.212500 Telstra Corporation Ltd (527100)
865.237500 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd (199067)
865.262500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
865.287500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
865.312500 Vacant
865.337500 Western Australian Police Service (203860)
865.362500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
865.387500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
865.412500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
865.437500 City of Wanneroo (1610990)
865.462500 Telstra Corporation Ltd (527100)
865.487500 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd (199067)
865.512500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
865.537500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
865.562500 Ministry of Justice (204093)
865.587500 Western Australian Police Service (203860)
865.612500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
865.612500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
865.637500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
865.662500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
865.687500 City of Joondalup (208106)
865.712500 CSPB Limited (194309)
865.737500 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd (199067)
865.762500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
865.787500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
865.812500 Burswood Resort (Management) Limited (192811)
865.837500 Western Australian Police Service (203860)
865.862500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
865.887500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
865.912500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
865.937500 Ministry of Justice (204093)
865.962500 Telstra Corporation Ltd (527100)
865.987500 Vacant
866.012500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
866.037500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
866.062500 Burswood Resort (Management) Limited (192811)
866.087500 Western Australian Police Service (203860)
866.112500 Vacant
866.137500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
866.162500 Vacant
866.187500 Ministry of Justice (204093)
866.212500 Telstra Corporation Ltd (527100)
866.237500 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd (199067)
866.262500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
866.287500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
866.312500 Vacant
866.337500 Western Australian Police Service (203860)
866.362500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
866.387500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
866.412500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
866.437500 City of Wanneroo (1610990)
866.462500 Telstra Corporation Ltd (527100)
866.487500 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd (199067)
866.512500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
866.537500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
866.562500 Ministry of Justice (204093)
866.587500 Western Australian Police Service (203860)
866.612500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
866.612500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
866.637500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
866.662500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
866.687500 City of Joondalup (208106)
866.712500 CSPB Limited (194309)
866.737500 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd (199067)
866.762500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
866.787500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
866.812500 Burswood Resort (Management) Limited (192811)
866.837500 Western Australian Police Service (203860)
866.862500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
866.887500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
866.912500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
866.937500 Ministry of Justice (204093)
866.962500 Telstra Corporation Ltd (527100)
866.987500 Vacant
867.012500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
867.037500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
867.062500 Burswood Resort (Management) Limited (192811)
867.087500 Western Australian Police Service (203860)
867.087500 Western Australian Police Service (203860)
867.112500 Vacant
867.137500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
867.162500 Vacant
867.187500 Ministry of Justice (204093)
867.212500 Telstra Corporation Ltd (527100)
867.237500 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd (199067)
867.262500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
867.287500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
867.312500 Vacant
867.337500 Western Australian Police Service (203860)
867.362500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
867.387500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
867.412500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
867.437500 City of Wanneroo (1610990)
867.462500 Telstra Corporation Ltd (527100)
867.487500 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd (199067)
867.512500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
867.537500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
867.562500 Ministry of Justice (204093)
867.587500 Western Australian Police Service (203860)
867.612500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
867.612500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
867.637500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
867.662500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
867.687500 City of Joondalup (208106)
867.712500 CSPB Limited (194309)
867.737500 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd (199067)
867.762500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
867.787500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
867.812500 Burswood Resort (Management) Limited (192811)
867.837500 Western Australian Police Service (203860)
867.862500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
867.887500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
867.912500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
867.937500 Ministry of Justice (204093)
867.962500 Telstra Corporation Ltd (527100)
867.987500 Vacant
868.012500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
868.037500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
868.062500 Burswood Resort (Management) Limited (192811)
868.087500 Western Australian Police Service (203860)
868.112500 Vacant
868.137500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
868.162500 Vacant
868.187500 Ministry of Justice (204093)
868.212500 Telstra Corporation Ltd (527100)
868.212500 Telstra Corporation Ltd (527100)
868.237500 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd (199067)
868.262500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
868.287500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
868.312500 Vacant
868.337500 Western Australian Police Service (203860)
868.362500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
868.387500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
868.412500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
868.437500 City of Wanneroo (1610990)
868.462500 Vacant
868.487500 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd (199067)
868.512500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
868.537500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
868.562500 Ministry of Justice (204093)
868.587500 Western Australian Police Service (203860)
868.612500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
868.612500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
868.637500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
868.662500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
868.687500 City of Joondalup (208106)
868.712500 CSPB Limited (194309)
868.737500 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd (199067)
868.762500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
868.787500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
868.812500 Burswood Resort (Management) Limited (192811)
868.837500 Western Australian Police Service (203860)
868.862500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
868.887500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
868.912500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
868.937500 Ministry of Justice (204093)
868.962500 Telstra Corporation Ltd (527100)
868.987500 Vacant
869.000000 Apache Energy Limited (192096)
869.000000 Apache Energy Limited (192096)
869.012500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
869.037500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
869.062500 Burswood Resort (Management) Limited (192811)
869.087500 Vacant
869.112500 Vacant
869.137500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
869.162500 Vacant
869.187500 Ministry of Justice (204093)
869.212500 Telstra Corporation Ltd (527100)
869.237500 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd (199067)
869.262500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
869.287500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
869.312500 Vacant
869.337500 Vacant
869.362500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
869.387500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
869.412500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
869.437500 City of Wanneroo (1610990)
869.462500 Telstra Corporation Ltd (527100)
869.487500 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd (199067)
869.512500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
869.537500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
869.562500 Ministry of Justice (204093)
869.587500 Vacant
869.612500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
869.612500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
869.637500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
869.662500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
869.687500 City of Joondalup (208106)
869.712500 CSPB Limited (194309)
869.737500 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd (199067)
869.762500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
869.787500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
869.812500 Burswood Resort (Management) Limited (192811)
869.837500 Vacant
869.862500 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd (8203)
869.887500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
869.912500 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd (1209404)
869.937500 Ministry of Justice (204093)
869.962500 Telstra Corporation Ltd (527100)
869.987500 Vacant


MINISTRY OF JUSTICE
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865.1875 Ministry of Justice - Tx Casuarina Prison
865.5625 Ministry of Justice - Tx Central Park, Perth
865.9375 Ministry of Justice - Tx Canning Vale Prison
866.1875 Ministry of Justice - Tx Casuarina Prison
866.5625 Ministry of Justice - Tx Central Park, Perth
866.9375 Ministry of Justice - Tx Canning Vale Prison
867.1875 Ministry of Justice - Tx Casuarina Prison
867.5625 Ministry of Justice - Tx Central Park, Perth
867.9375 Ministry of Justice - Tx Canning Vale Prison
868.1875 Ministry of Justice - Tx Casuarina Prison
868.5625 Ministry of Justice - Tx Central Park, Perth
868.9375 Ministry of Justice - Tx Canning Vale Prison
869.1875 Ministry of Justice - Tx Casuarina Prison
869.5625 Ministry of Justice - Tx Central Park, Perth
869.9375 Ministry of Justice - Tx Canning Vale Prison

Three seperate 5 channel systems. Possibly networked

865.1875 Ministry of Justice - Tx Casuarina Prison
866.1875 Ministry of Justice - Tx Casuarina Prison
867.1875 Ministry of Justice - Tx Casuarina Prison
868.1875 Ministry of Justice - Tx Casuarina Prison
869.1875 Ministry of Justice - Tx Casuarina Prison

865.5625 Ministry of Justice - Tx Central Park, Perth
866.5625 Ministry of Justice - Tx Central Park, Perth
867.5625 Ministry of Justice - Tx Central Park, Perth
868.5625 Ministry of Justice - Tx Central Park, Perth
869.5625 Ministry of Justice - Tx Central Park, Perth

865.9375 Ministry of Justice - Tx Canning Vale Prison
866.9375 Ministry of Justice - Tx Canning Vale Prison
867.9375 Ministry of Justice - Tx Canning Vale Prison
868.9375 Ministry of Justice - Tx Canning Vale Prison
869.9375 Ministry of Justice - Tx Canning Vale Prison




BURSWOOD RESORT MANAGEMENT
==========================
865.0625 Burswood Resort (Management) Limited - Tx Victoria Park
865.8125 Burswood Resort (Management) Limited - Tx Victoria Park
866.0625 Burswood Resort (Management) Limited - Tx Victoria Park
866.8125 Burswood Resort (Management) Limited - Tx Victoria Park
867.0625 Burswood Resort (Management) Limited - Tx Victoria Park
867.8125 Burswood Resort (Management) Limited - Tx Victoria Park
868.0625 Burswood Resort (Management) Limited - Tx Victoria Park
868.8125 Burswood Resort (Management) Limited - Tx Victoria Park
869.0625 Burswood Resort (Management) Limited - Tx Victoria Park
869.8125 Burswood Resort (Management) Limited - Tx Victoria Park


CITY OF JOONDALAUP
==================
865.6875 City of Joondalup
866.6875 City of Joondalup
867.6875 City of Joondalup
868.6875 City of Joondalup
869.6875 City of Joondalup

CITY OF WANNEROO
================
865.4375 City of Wanneroo
866.4375 City of Wanneroo
867.4375 City of Wanneroo
868.4375 City of Wanneroo
869.4375 City of Wanneroo

CSPB LIMITED
============
Motorola Type II Smartnet system

865.7125 CSPB Limited
866.7125 CSPB Limited
867.7125 CSPB Limited
868.7125 CSPB Limited
869.7125 CSPB Limited

MEMO COMMUNICATIONS
===================
865.2375 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
865.4875 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Perth Airport
865.7375 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
866.2375 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
866.4875 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Perth Airport
866.7375 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
867.2375 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
867.4875 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Perth Airport
867.7375 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
868.2375 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
868.4875 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Perth Airport
868.7375 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
869.2375 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
869.4875 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Perth Airport
869.7375 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth

10 channel Motorola Type II smartnet
865.2375 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
865.7375 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
866.2375 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
866.7375 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
867.2375 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
867.7375 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
868.2375 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
868.7375 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
869.2375 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
869.7375 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth

5 channel Motorola Type II Smartnet
865.4875 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Perth Airport
866.4875 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Perth Airport
867.4875 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Perth Airport
868.4875 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Perth Airport
869.4875 Memo Communications Co Pty Ltd - Tx Perth Airport

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MOTOROLA SMARTNET PTY LTD
=========================
865.0125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
865.0375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Bickley
865.1375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
865.2625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
865.3625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
865.5125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
865.5375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Bickley
865.6125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
865.6125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
865.6375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
865.6625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
865.7625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
865.8625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
866.0125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
866.0375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Bickley
866.1375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
866.2625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
866.3625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
866.5125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
866.5375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Bickley
866.6125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
866.6125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
866.6375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
866.6625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
866.7625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
866.8625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
867.0125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
867.0375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Bickley
867.1375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
867.2625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
867.3625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
867.5125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
867.5375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Bickley
867.6125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
867.6125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
867.6375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
867.6625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
867.7625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
867.8625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
868.0125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
868.0375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Bickley
868.1375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
868.2625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
868.3625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
868.5125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
868.5375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Bickley
868.6125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
868.6125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
868.6375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
868.6625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
868.7625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
868.8625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
869.0125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
869.0375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Bickley
869.1375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
869.2625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
869.3625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
869.5125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
869.5375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Bickley
869.6125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
869.6125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
869.6375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
869.6625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
869.7625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
869.8625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth

CENTRAL PARK SITE
865.0125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
865.1375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
865.2625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
865.3625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
865.5125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
865.6125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
865.7625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
865.8625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
866.0125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
866.1375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
866.2625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
866.3625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
866.5125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
866.6125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
866.7625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
866.8625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
867.0125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
867.1375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
867.2625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
867.3625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
867.5125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
867.6125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
867.7625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
867.8625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
868.0125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
868.1375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
868.2625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
868.3625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
868.5125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
868.6125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
868.7625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
868.8625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
869.0125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
869.1375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
869.2625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
869.3625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
869.5125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
869.6125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
869.7625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth
869.8625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Central Park, Perth

BICKLEY SITE
865.0375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Bickley
865.5375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Bickley
866.0375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Bickley
866.5375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Bickley
867.0375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Bickley
867.5375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Bickley
868.0375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Bickley
868.5375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Bickley
869.0375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Bickley
869.5375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Bickley

CRAWLEY SITE
865.6125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
865.6375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
865.6625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
866.6125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
866.6375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
866.6625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
867.6125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
867.6375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
867.6625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
868.6125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
868.6375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
868.6625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
869.6125 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
869.6375 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley
869.6625 Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd - Tx Crawley

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Ignore this one - waste of time

TELSTRA CORPORATION RD-LAP DATA Encrypted Data
===================
865.2125 Telstra Corporation Ltd
865.2125 Telstra Corporation Ltd
865.4625 Telstra Corporation Ltd
865.9625 Telstra Corporation Ltd
866.2125 Telstra Corporation Ltd
866.4625 Telstra Corporation Ltd
866.9625 Telstra Corporation Ltd
867.2125 Telstra Corporation Ltd
867.4625 Telstra Corporation Ltd
867.9625 Telstra Corporation Ltd
868.2125 Telstra Corporation Ltd
868.2125 Telstra Corporation Ltd
868.9625 Telstra Corporation Ltd
869.2125 Telstra Corporation Ltd
869.4625 Telstra Corporation Ltd
869.9625 Telstra Corporation Ltd

================================================

VERTICAL TELECOMS
=================
865.2875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
865.3875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
865.4125 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx Halls Head, Mandurah
865.7875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
865.8875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
865.9125 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx Halls Head, Mandurah
866.2875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
866.3875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
866.4125 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx Halls Head, Mandurah
866.7875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
866.8875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
866.9125 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx Halls Head, Mandurah
867.2875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV11, Perth
867.3875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
867.4125 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx Halls Head, Mandurah
867.7875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
867.8875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
867.9125 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx Halls Head, Mandurah
868.2875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
868.3875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
868.4125 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx Halls Head, Mandurah
868.7875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
868.8875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
868.9125 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx Halls Head, Mandurah
869.2875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
869.3875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
869.4125 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx Halls Head, Mandurah
869.7875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
869.8875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
869.9125 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx Halls Head, Mandurah


QV1 PERTH SITE.
Best guess 20 channel site Motorola Type 2 Smartnet system.
One channel will have data and the remaining 19 are voice
If there is no data channel and most channels have a 10 sec pulse
then it is LTR

865.2875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
865.3875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
865.7875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
865.8875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
866.2875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
866.3875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
866.7875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
866.8875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
867.2875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
867.3875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
867.7875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
867.8875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
868.2875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
868.3875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
868.7875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
868.8875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
869.2875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
869.3875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
869.7875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth
869.8875 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx QV1, Perth

HALLS HEAD MANDURAH SITE

Best guess 10 channel site Motorola Type 2 Smartnet system.
One channel will have data and the remaining 9 are voice
If there is no data channel and most channels have a 10 sec pulse
then it is LTR

865.4125 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx Halls Head, Mandurah
865.9125 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx Halls Head, Mandurah
866.4125 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx Halls Head, Mandurah
866.9125 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx Halls Head, Mandurah
867.4125 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx Halls Head, Mandurah
867.9125 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx Halls Head, Mandurah
868.4125 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx Halls Head, Mandurah
868.9125 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx Halls Head, Mandurah
869.4125 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx Halls Head, Mandurah
869.9125 Vertical Telecoms Pty Ltd - Tx Halls Head, Mandurah

===================================================================

WESTERN AUSTRALIAN POLICE SERVICE
=================================

This appears to be a fixed data service being constructed by Motorola.
Expect Data encryption - similar to RD_LAP?

865.0875 Western Australian Police Service - Tx Central Park, Perth
865.3375 Western Australian Police Service - Tx Fremantle
865.5875 Western Australian Police Service - Tx Greemount
865.8375 Western Australian Police Service - Tx Walliston
866.0875 Western Australian Police Service - Tx Two Rocks
866.3375 Western Australian Police Service - Tx Nowergup
866.5875 Western Australian Police Service - TX Gidgegannup
866.8375 Western Australian Police Service - Tx Munster
867.0875 Western Australian Police Service - Tx Wooroloo
867.0875 Western Australian Police Service - Tx Lake Clifton
867.3375 Western Australian Police Service - Tx Sawyers Valley
867.5875 Western Australian Police Service - Tx City Beach
867.8375 Western Australian Police Service - Tx Pinjarra
868.0875 Western Australian Police Service - Tx Ocean Reef
868.3375 Western Australian Police Service - Tx Bedfordale
868.5875 Western Australian Police Service - Tx Baldivis
868.8375 Western Australian Police Service - Tx Mandurah


=====================================================================

These are the remaining frequencies vacant
865.112500 Vacant
866.112500 Vacant
867.112500 Vacant
868.112500 Vacant
869.112500 Vacant

865.162500 Vacant
866.162500 Vacant
867.162500 Vacant
868.162500 Vacant
869.162500 Vacant

865.312500 Vacant
866.312500 Vacant
867.312500 Vacant
868.312500 Vacant
869.312500 Vacant

865.987500 Vacant
866.987500 Vacant
867.987500 Vacant
868.987500 Vacant
869.987500 Vacant

868.462500 Vacant
869.087500 Vacant
869.337500 Vacant
869.587500 Vacant
869.837500 Vacant

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Post by Ludacris » Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:19 pm

some people just have too much time on their hands...LOL

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Post by grant » Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:14 pm

One small piece of information i forgot to add ... many commercial sites have movable control channels .... in Sydney the 800Mhz GPT site control channels moves daily over four different frequencies but all with the same ending eg 865.3625, 866.3625, 867.3625 and 868.3625Mhz then back to 865.3625 and so on. This happens at all 800Mhz Motorola Type II sites in Sydney. Given the same company (Motorola Smartnet, formerly Ozitel) runs many of the commercial sites in Perth, it is likely the same thing happens there as well.

To date nobody in Perth seems to have investigated trunking in any great depth. If you have a trunk-tracking scanner this is an ideal list to work through. Even if you just have a normal scanner I am still interested in your advice as to where you are hearing the trunking control channels (unmistakeably noisy) especially on the Central Park sites.

Grant.

PS If some of you want to have a go at MPT1327 on VHF and UHF I can prepare a similar list and put you onto a free mpt sound card decoder (you need an audio jack lead into your PC/laptop). It's main value is that you can see the channel traffic live, identifty the site id and log it via the software.

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Re: WA Trunking

Post by vk6hgr » Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:47 pm

grant wrote:One small piece of information i forgot to add ... many commercial sites have movable control channels .... in Sydney the 800Mhz GPT site control channels moves daily over four different frequencies but all with the same ending eg 865.3625, 866.3625, 867.3625 and 868.3625Mhz then back to 865.3625 and so on. This happens at all 800Mhz Motorola Type II sites in Sydney. Given the same company (Motorola Smartnet, formerly Ozitel) runs many of the commercial sites in Perth, it is likely the same thing happens there as well.
Why do they do this? Is it for operational reasons or is it to try and thwart trunk-trackers?
grant wrote: PS If some of you want to have a go at MPT1327 on VHF and UHF I can prepare a similar list and put you onto a free mpt sound card decoder (you need an audio jack lead into your PC/laptop). It's main value is that you can see the channel traffic live, identifty the site id and log it via the software.
Yes please. That could be very useful. Quite a bit of MPT trunking at around 166 and 413Mhz :-)
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Post by Fastlane » Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:43 am

Just a note, in the list above, the City of Joondalup list is in fact shared with the City of Wanneroo at a site in Wanneroo. The list identified as City of Wanneroo is a repeater site in Yanchep and to date, is seldom used (they are not linked).

A few talk group ID's for the site in Wanneroo are:
5296 - Wanneroo Fire Service
3280 - Wanneroo Ranger Services
1680 - Joondalup Rangers
1712 - Joondalup Security Patrols

I didnt bother gathering any others - theres alot of radio traffic on this trunk network.

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MPT1327 trunking

Post by grant » Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:23 am

OK I will prepare a MPT1327 list for VHF and UHF sites ... give me a couple days and I will post something. I personally find that the MPT systems are the most popular for commercial users.

While I think of it there is also a UHF Motorola Type II Smartnet site at Port Hedland used by BHP - I fairly sure it is around 465Mhz. But given the huge distances in WA outside the metro area I didn't include it in the other listing.

Talkgroup lists take time to compile. Some of us in Sydney have used a program called Trunker to log Motorola systems ... like the MPT sound card software I will introduce yourself to you shortly, Trunker generates a huge amount of data which takes time to analyse. So I won't be expected that much soon.

One of the other things I noticed on Motorola systems (trunker shows this clearly) is that on say a 10 channel site, maybe 7 frequencies are regularly used and the others are sort of standby. They are licensed as part of that system but you never see any use on them.

AnywayI start working on that list


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Post by Zebedee » Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:12 pm

Grant,

Although I don't (yet) have a trunking-capable scanner, I think you deserve a big vote of thanks for the time and effort you've gone into in putting all this information together. It's a fantastic contribution to the radio scanning community.
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Post by Brian » Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:48 am

A big thanks to Grant for all of this hard work. Grant and I started trunk tracking at about the same time, and while I had a bit of a heads up at the time as I had been working with trunking for a number of years before hand, it didn't take Grant long to catch on and start compiling massive lists of great information that we could all work on together. You really don't get enough thanks for some of the work you pump out Grant.

As for the control channel changing each day on some Motorola systems. This is done to share the load over 4 repeaters over 4 days. Basically a single repeater will work very hard for 24 hours pumping out data. It is then given a rest for three days (it still works as a voice channel in that time) while three other repeaters each do a 24 hour stint.

It is possible to have the repeater stay on the one channel all the time, but it is a bit like driving from perth to Adelaide in 1st gear all the way. It really doesn't do the car any good and it blows up pretty fast.

As Grant said there is some great software out there for decoding data channels and it can tell you so much more about a trunk system than just hearing conversations.

You will probably find by now that anything listed in 800 MHz as a Telstra frequency is possibly dead. This data network was shut down in April 2005.

As for the rest of his list I'm taking a guess at a few of these but I think this is right.

Ministry of Justice - Motorola Type II Plan 1
Burswood Resort Management (possibly LTR)
City of Joondalup - Motorola Type II Plan 1
City of Wanneroo - Motorola Type II Plan 1
CSPB Motorola Type II - Plan 1
Memo Communications - More than likely Motorola Type II Plan 1
Motorola Smartnet Pty Ltd, can be a Mix of Motorola Type II Plan 1 and LTR. But since Vertel in WA still exists with 800 MHz channels it is possible that all Motorola licensed stuff is Motorola only.
Vertical Telecomms will be LTR
WA Police sounds like an 800 MHz data network. The Digital voice network from my understanding will go where the Tetra network was going to go in the 420 MHz band. From the article I saw on the WA Police network it didn't say encryption, but gave a very big hint towards it. My guess is it will be encrypted.

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Re: Trunking

Post by vk6hgr » Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:57 pm

Brian wrote: WA Police sounds like an 800 MHz data network. The Digital voice network from my understanding will go where the Tetra network was going to go in the 420 MHz band. From the article I saw on the WA Police network it didn't say encryption, but gave a very big hint towards it. My guess is it will be encrypted.
Last I heard, it was going to be some sort of APCO25 compatible system using their existing 64 channel UHF allocation.

They took 420-430Mhz from amateurs (reasonable I suppose, it wasn't heavily used) for this great inter-agency network the police were going to build. That fell through. Now FESA are building WAERN - WA Emergency Radio Network in (I think) VHF high band and perhaps UHF. <sigh>

To make matters worse the Tetra company fell over in a bad way... right after WAPOL bought a tonne of equipment :(
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