Main Roads Highway Emergency Response Ops to have Priority 2

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Do HERO's need Priority 2?

Yes
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NO
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Total votes: 51

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Main Roads Highway Emergency Response Ops to have Priority 2

Post by dazla » Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:38 pm

Main Roads HERO crews will soon be able to proceed to jobs under emergency conditions after a reveiw of the service, the Traffic Operations Centre in Perth will be their dispatch centre.

HERO's are responsible for attending to any incidents that occur on our Main Roads Network such as accidents, emergencys and hazards.

Dont know what freqencies they will work on but I will keep you informed.
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Post by Zebedee » Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:10 am

Hmmmmm tricky. (And a good post/poll by the way!!)

I can see arguments both for and against, but in the end I've voted "No."

I thought the purpose of the HEROs was to attend breakdowns and that sort of thing on the freeways. It doesn't seem like an "emergency condition" to me that would need them to be given a priority.

I can see that in the case of an accident, the HEROs may be used for traffic control around the scene, but again, I'm not sure why they would need to get there right now.

Having said all that, I'm not too familiar with the roles of the HERO cars, so if I'm way off, someone please educate me! :-)

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Post by dazla » Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:41 pm

The HERO's are responsible for ensuring the smooth flow of traffic and clearing an obstructions that occur on the freeway. I think the main reason they want the priority status is so they can get through traffic to attend to incidents on the freeway.

In NSW the RTA Traffic Emergency Patols have this status and have been a valuable service to both the community and the Police in assisting during emergecnys.

I think it could be woth while as long as they were trained properly and did not abuse it.
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Post by Zebedee » Tue Jun 28, 2005 5:50 pm

dazla wrote:I think the main reason they want the priority status is so they can get through traffic to attend to incidents on the freeway.
Fair enough, that makes sense I guess... This may be a silly question though but can't they just put their orange flashing lights on and go up the emergency lane to get past traffic?

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Post by earmuff man » Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:29 am

i agree with that, maybe a few red ones might do the trick though :wink:

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Post by dazla » Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:26 am

I think red lights would be fine, I would imagine they would have similar priority to Western Power Emergency Crews.
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Post by HappyJackSlade » Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:50 pm

If they kept getting there late,The would be fired,not heros.

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Post by dazla » Mon Jul 04, 2005 11:19 pm

Very good :D :D

They are currently under review, it is invisaged that their role may expand somewhat.
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Post by HappyJackSlade » Mon Jul 04, 2005 11:23 pm

:wink: I have a mate who is a federal coper and some who are state copers.they are all heros in my eyes.
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Post by Fastlane » Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:43 pm

A few things. Firstly, the terminology "Priority 1" and "Priority 2" are used by WAPS only - its not mentioned in the Road Traffic Code 2000, its just their own internal terminology to define what a person can do. In the code, it says:
A provision of these regulations does not apply to the driver of an emergency vehicle that is not being used for official duties by a police officer if

(a) in the circumstances

(i) the driver is taking reasonable care; and

(ii) it is reasonable that the provision should not apply;

and

(b) the vehicle is a motor vehicle that is moving and the vehicle is displaying a blue or red flashing light or sounding an alarm.
Emergency vehicles are defined as Police Vehicles, a Fire Appliance going to an incident where it may be reasonably considered that life may be in danger, an Ambulance answering an urgent call, a vehicle delivering blood supplies or a vehicle authorised as an emergency vehicle by the Director General (of Transport).

The law doesnt actually prescribe what the limits (such as speed) are, however, people driving emergency vehicles *can* be charged with reckless driving, regardless of the above.

Western Power has flashing red lights and sirens, primarily as they are the HMA (Hazard Management Agency) for electrical incidents/emergencies and Firefighters, Police or Ambos cannot deal with incidents involving electricity without their assistance. For traffic accidents and the such, the Police are the HMA's - so really, there isnt any good reason for the HERO's to have the ability.. I doubt they even have the legislative ability to direct traffic and such.

Usually, red only lights are given to 'support vehicles' - first responders have both red and blue.

Same deal is happening at the moment with Secureforce (that do the bus security) - they want sirens and flashing lights, but really, theres no reason as the Police have the responsibility and ability to deal with this.. (they are after all, just security guards).

(oh, and after all of that, I voted no!)

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Post by dazla » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:53 pm

Secureforce had red lights on a couple of their vehicles until they received yellow stickers. Transit Guards have red lights on the patrol vehicles and are emergency vehicles for attending jobs on the Railways.

The HERO's will become the HMA for any incident on Main Roads, they are operated from the Traffic Operations Centre.

I think they need them to get through traffic to attend incidents, they are after all often the first on the scene.
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Post by Fastlane » Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:26 pm

No surprise there with Secureforce.. as for the Transit Guards, they are Magenta Lights, not Red - just like what transport inspectors have on their vehicles. They have no sirens and no exemptions under the Road Traffic Code - I had this discussion with one of them I know recently.

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Main Roads Highway Emergency Response Ops to have Priority 2

Post by scottwa2468 » Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:47 pm

the police some of the time dont have the ability to deal with public transport security fastlane,they barely cope with protecting the general public with the lack of resourses that they have,and security guards have the powers to peform a citizens arrest fastlane!!!

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Re: Priority 2

Post by Aztech » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:17 am

"So If Hero's get to use Light's and Sirens"
Why cant Tow Trucks that are responding to accidents?

You always know there's an accident up ahead when a tow truck speeds past you, followed closely by an ambulance, then the police!

IF Hero's DO get to use there Light's + Sirens, Im sure the Towies will want to as well. (even if its just those red lights u mentioned {support} so that they can move through traffic and MOVE cars off the road)

What do you all think about this?

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Post by dazla » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:09 pm

Because HERO's are responding to an incident, they are dispatched by the TOC and requsted by the Police VIA the TOC. Towies listen to a scanner and then respond illegally, acting on information they have heard, they are just annoying.

Transit Guards have red light fastlane, I would know as I was a Transit Guard for two years.
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