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Kempa wrote:Although the 2.4 is a stand alone appliance it does not have an SO and it is part of the fire and rescue services duty of care to the public and its fire fighters that an officer attends every incident. no matter the size of the incident. if something were to go wrong or the firies didn't notice something or if there was a reignition later the firies would be accountable and thats not the way it works. Thats why the snapps get the big bucks!
Where would an SO fit in if they were BFS? FCO? Still struggling with the rank structure.
The 2.4 crew are not sent to any incident unless, there are exceptional, where there is no SO present. At all incidents that they attend there is a pump crew attached which has an SO which means that they come under their control. At no stage are they left on the fire ground with out an FRS SO
coming from a VFRS back ground we wouldn't mobalise to an incident as a primary responder unless there was an officer present (Officer being captian, Leiutenant or Apps officer). For a back up incident we would turn out with a min of at least 1 senior member in each appliance (we had nominated senior members that were allowed to mobalise to back up incidents).
I would of hought this the same with BFS and most VFRS
Without an officer who does the FIRS (Fire Incident Reporting System before some asks) when you get back to station.
Its my feeling that an officer should be in attendence when a brigade respons as primary turn out to an incident as they have the experience and the knowlegde to up-grade/down-grade incidents and should have a resonable understanding of the SOPs and the reporting systems.
Sorry guys, I really don't have a clue how it works with BFS. When I was over there I worked in a forestry brigade. On our own fires the senior forester/land manager present would decide when it was safe to go home and do the paperwork, while on bigger fires we usually wound up working with DEC.
I'm asking because in NSW where I lived before, each truck/light unit regardless of type, couldn't respond to an incident unless we had a crew leader on board and they would make the calls and do the paperwork. Each brigade had a number of crew (say platoon) leaders and a captain and above them, at the region (say shire) level, you had group captains and FCOs (say district commander). I'm trying to work out whether the BFS is WA is vastly different.
BFS, some brigades will let Senior guys go out in lieu of a Lieutenant. The Senior person will do the paperwork, or the Officer if he/she attends in another vehicle.
Helitak_670 wrote:BFS, some brigades will let Senior guys go out in lieu of a Lieutenant. The Senior person will do the paperwork, or the Officer if he/she attends in another vehicle.
Most BFS brigades have crew leaders in the appliance. The crew leader is responsible for classification, driving under emergency conditions and paperwork. In BFS world the crew leader is the IC when first arriving. This makes life much easier than only having a captain and 4 LT's to turn out to every job.
auntys_eyes wrote:My brigade is on standby to provide relief crews for our neighbouring VFRS brigade over this weekend if required. I drew the 0000-0600 shift tonight.
Good luck matey
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George
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auntys_eyes wrote:My brigade is on standby to provide relief crews for our neighbouring VFRS brigade over this weekend if required. I drew the 0000-0600 shift tonight.
Have a great weekend.
. Thanks