General fire discussions

[Helitak_670]

T cards are what we use to say what your appliance is and who is on the appliance. Used for large incidents where you have an Incident controller/ICV There is different colours for different appliances including FRS, VFRS, BFB, DEC, SES etc

[colin]

In our shire, we are trying to get them completed for every incident that an appliance is turned out to - help to document that our brigades actually do something.

[pacestick]

Any fires today in Mundaring or surrounding shires

Appears to be white smoke drifting from that way but unsure if it is in fact smoke or not. I am east Of Mundaring shire

[auntys_eyes]

1st, 2nd Alarm etc, relates purely to the number of pumps at a job.

No it doesn't. It relates to Station/Brigade resources. BFBs don't have pumps and still use the "alarm" arrival codes.

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[WPXZBP]

There always seems to be contention about what 2nd alarm etc means. Unless you have access to FESA's SOPs and have read them then you cannot say explicitly what it means. In the One Stop Shop for FESA Information soon will be a basic breakdown of what means what.

[kylep]

What Wes said ^^^

The alarm classification determines a preset response of resources depending on the type of incident. Without the full tables, it's a bit pointless talking here about exactly what those resources are.

In simple terms for each alarm level there is an increase of *at least* 1 more 'primary' appliance or station/brigade plus a plethora of support appliances and roles.

Those who are Firefighters should access Mobilising SOP 1 for the details.

[WadeH]

The codes are very simple really, the first "codes" represent arrival and intensity of fire, the "types" (alarm) are the resources required.

Thats it.

Cheers

Wade

[WPXZBP]

The One Stop Shop has been updated.

[auntys_eyes]

The codes are very simple really, the first "codes" represent arrival and intensity of fire...

The arrival codes have very little to do with "intensity of fire".
They are an indicator for ComCen and the Operations team as to what's really happening at the location compared to the original alarm/000 call/incident report.

44 - incident as despatched/described not found/located, no other incident found, investigating further
66 - incident found/located and is the same as, or similar to that as despatched/described, getting to work (then advise 'alarm' classification for resources)
88- incident found/located and is larger or more complex than as despatched/described, getting to work (then advise 'alarm' classification for resources)

Therefore if an incident is despatched as being a large structure fire, fully involved, including HazMat, with persons trapped, and a multi-vehicle accident out the front as a result, and several stations are turned-out simultaneously, the first arriving SO may call an arrival code of 66. The SO may then confirm 2nd, 3rd, 4th Alarm etc, or stand down appliances, or request more appliances.
BUT, if an incident is despatched as a small pile of rubbish being burnt in a back yard in prohibited period, but the crew arrives to find the fire is spreading through the grass and shrubs of the back yard threatening dwellings, the SO may call an arrival code of 88. The SO may then determine they have enough resources and make 1st Alarm, or chose to have more resources and make 2nd or 3rd Alarm etc.

[colin]

OK.

Thanks all for your answers.

I got pointer to an SOP, so read that and others, and realised that my question was poor.
I thought that the code 88 meant something like OMG it's huge get me more appliances.
As it turns out it means bigger than reported. Nothing to do with with apliances required.

So, again thanks for the info.

[WadeH]

Hi Auntys_eyes,

44 - incident as despatched/described not found/located, no other incident found, investigating further
66 - incident found/located and is the same as, or similar to that as despatched/described, getting to work (then advise 'alarm' classification for resources)
88- incident found/located and is larger or more complex than as despatched/described, getting to work (then advise 'alarm' classification for resources)

By your own words above this can be translated as intensity/severity. To say not is playing with semantics. Wouldnt it be be best to keep it simple for others? I said fire as that is what I mainly deal with but it is for any incident.

This is the quoted meaning directly out of FESA SOP 8 page 5 "The codes indicate arrival and the severity of the incident". End of story?

Cheers

Wade

[Sgt Seedy]

hi all, probs the wrong thread to post in.. But im at a music event in busselton 'southbound music festival'... There is alot of smoke around the venue.. And by smoke i mean 3rd alarm stuff...... Any info on the scanner???? The event organisors are telling us nothing, and we have about 10metres of vision ahead of us... Any news would be great.
Thanks warsug

[Magnus]

Possibly this

Smoke alert for the South West

Sunday, 02 January 2011
A smoke alert remains in place for areas south of Bunbury as a result of a bushfire that has been burning in D`Entrecasteaux National Park west of Pemberton this week. The Department of Environment and Conservation (DEC) advises that smoke may be visible this afternoon and overnight due to south-easterly winds.

Motorists should take care, turn on headlights, and travel at appropriate speeds if low level smoke affects visibility.

People with conditions exacerbated by smoke should take precautions in line with their medical advice for these circumstances.

[HL 101]

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