Other incidents/minor fires etc - 2008/2009

[ace of spades]

I agree with you jasonjag that it is a waste of resources to go to DBA where it is just toast, steam, workmen. Though you have to understand that you never know what the alarm is when you turn out to it. There have been occasions where DBA's have gone off and thay actually turn out to be fires. As you probably know, you never know what you are going to.

In response to going P2 there is no such thing in the fire service though it is up to the driver to drive the way they think they need to, for example you will drive differently to an accident persons trapped and a house fire than you would for a bin fire or a DBA. The road traffic code states that the fire trucks are exempt from alot of and not all of road rules "in consequence of a fire, and alarm of fire or an emergency or rescue situation where human life is reasonably considered to be in danger"

That is why they go lights and sirens for DBA's. Maybe they should start charging for false alarms like some other states then see the false alarms go down.[/b]

[Tyranus]

who are they going to charge for false alarms? They'll put it to the building owner who will charge the people that maintain the board. The people that maintain the board are then likely to stop directly notifying the fire brigade and have them notified instead then trying to call the building about it delaying resources responding to the fire. I say do as they do now, if it's a DBA and it's a false alarm then the premises calls 000 and advises of false alarm.

[wasaint]

Correct me if i am wrong i think that currently the building pays an annual fee any way and if the alarm constanrly is going off for no reason then they are fined and there alarm is removed from the system which in turn probaly breaks the contract on there insurance so it is in the best interest of the company to have there alarm system working correctly.

i could be wrong

[Leigh]

Correct me if i am wrong i think that currently the building pays an annual fee any way and if the alarm constanrly is going off for no reason then they are fined and there alarm is removed from the system which in turn probaly breaks the contract on there insurance so it is in the best interest of the company to have there alarm system working correctly.

i could be wrong

Yeah, i was under the impression that if there is constant and avoidable false alarms activating, the premises could be fined. One such premises that this occurs is St john of god, subiaco and that daglish are extremely pissed off at the number of alarms activating there(from what ive been told). Whether they get fined or not im unsure.

[ace of spades]

They dont call 000 tyranus, they have a special number. They do have a system in place via the DM who will notify the building that there is a problem, however the fire brigade sorry sorry FESA can not fine them for alarms going off only notify them in writing to get the problem fixed. You are right in that they pay to have the alarm monitored by FESA (formerly the WA fire brigades board, bush fire service, SES, VMRS) however as I said before, my belief is that they dont get charged for false alarms.

Also Tyrannus it seems to work well in the east, so why cant it work here, though I see your point as well I guess

[Leigh]

Truck rollover: Rockingham rd Henderson
Driver believed to be trapped

Success
Freo2nd(mphr) mobile

[WPXZBP]

The emphasis is on could be fined. There was discussion amongst the echelons of FESA last year about some places and the number of times that false/avoidable DBAs were going off. (eg hospitals) One of the suggestions was to take the alarm panel off-line which meant the place would not be covered under insurance. That'd get the repairs/action etc going I bet.

[Tyranus]

Ok I guess it makes sense calling in using another number, someone had told me they called 000 but that was a while ago so I can't even go beat them over the head for giving me bad info

[jasonjag]

Truck rollover, Malaga Frs, Bassendean and Perth ?? attending Tonkin Hwy, Details sketchy 1802 Bassendean and both Perth ?? stood down, 1807

[flashover]

As a new member, I thought it was normal for the BRT to be on its own with only 2 firemen and no FA. I see it all the time here in Kalamunda

[bomber]

As a new member, I thought it was normal for the BRT to be on its own with only 2 firemen and no FA. I see it all the time here in Kalamunda

The difference is career v volunteer. Also FA are bushfire vehicles FRS call them Light tankers

[flashover]

Sorry if i have put a cat amongst the pidgeons, i was just asking a simple question as a new member who isn't sure of exactly what gets discussed . also i must say sorry as i thought i was putting a reply on this post and i started a new topic by mistake. I must be blonde.

[bomber]

Flashover, dont worry about it too much. In answer to your question though what you will find is that the Career FRS will have 4 firies turning out generally, 2 on the Pump and 2 following on the LT. There is exceptions to this like Heavy rescue appliances which all 4 are in the pump, also the new scania SET ( old set is only a single cab so extra crew are in a lt ), and secondary appliances from the same station generally dont have a LT mor perth fire station who normally dont run Lt's until fire season

In the vol FRS they tend to turn out with what they have avail. sometimes 2,3,4 in main pump then soon the lt will follow ( if not enough crew may be left at station ). for a turn out though there should still be a min manning of 4 regardless of career or vol.

Hope this answers your query

[flashover]

Thanks Bomber, its handy to have experienced / knowlageble people such as yourself, it makes these forums interesting.

[Jonesy]

As a new member, I thought it was normal for the BRT to be on its own with only 2 firemen and no FA. I see it all the time here in Kalamunda

The difference is career v volunteer. Also FA are bushfire vehicles FRS call them Light tankers

It is of my understanding that BFS call them Light Tankers now too, but i may be mistaken. We certainly do anyway.