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Re: W.A Fire Appliances

Post by Son Of The Phantom » Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:41 pm

Toyota is planning to kill off the 70 Series, so what will FESA do to replace the LT's? Hilux maybe ?
I know that they had some Patrols once and there's a few Landies around but there have been issues with those. so.....

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Re: W.A Fire Appliances

Post by TLD11 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:26 am

Son Of The Phantom wrote:Toyota is planning to kill off the 70 Series, so what will FESA do to replace the LT's? Hilux maybe ?
I know that they had some Patrols once and there's a few Landies around but there have been issues with those. so.....
If that is true, they should think outside the square! - Maybe use the Iveco Massif or Daily 4x4.

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Re: W.A Fire Appliances

Post by hold3n » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:58 am

TLD11 wrote:
Son Of The Phantom wrote:Toyota is planning to kill off the 70 Series, so what will FESA do to replace the LT's? Hilux maybe ?
I know that they had some Patrols once and there's a few Landies around but there have been issues with those. so.....
If that is true, they should think outside the square! - Maybe use the Iveco Massif or Daily 4x4.
Or they should use Nissan Navaras due to torque, But hopefully it is just a hoax.
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Re: W.A Fire Appliances

Post by kyeboi » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:23 am

if i was gonna stop using landcruiser i would propably use patrols in stread you need something strong and tuff i wouldnt use hillux or and chinese branded car !
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Re: W.A Fire Appliances

Post by Son Of The Phantom » Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:57 am

hold3n wrote:
TLD11 wrote:
Son Of The Phantom wrote:Toyota is planning to kill off the 70 Series, so what will FESA do to replace the LT's? Hilux maybe ?
I know that they had some Patrols once and there's a few Landies around but there have been issues with those. so.....
If that is true, they should think outside the square! - Maybe use the Iveco Massif or Daily 4x4.
Or they should use Nissan Navaras due to torque, But hopefully it is just a hoax.[/quote

Wouldn't bother with Navara, good for torque as said but the chassis has a bending issue.

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Re: W.A Fire Appliances

Post by hold3n » Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:22 am

Or they should use Nissan Navaras due to torque, But hopefully it is just a hoax.[/quote

Wouldn't bother with Navara, good for torque as said but the chassis has a bending issue.[/quote]

Fair point you got there.
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Re: W.A Fire Appliances

Post by philby » Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:37 pm

The Great Wall ute have a bit of poke to them. Unsure how they would fair on a fire ground with a load of water on the back.

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Re: W.A Fire Appliances

Post by hold3n » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:17 pm

philby wrote:The Great Wall ute have a bit of poke to them. Unsure how they would fair on a fire ground with a load of water on the back.
Nah mate great walls have crap torque and power. and simply dont offer much structural support in case of crashes. And the myth is expelled Toyota are going to make a dual cab version, so i highly doubt that they will discontinue production anytime soon.
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Re: W.A Fire Appliances

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Re: W.A Fire Appliances

Post by newbie » Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:12 am

They have 5 years to redesign a few things which probably should be done anyway, like side airbags etc. I wouldn't be surprised if the article is just something that Toyota is doing for publicity. People will jump up and down about it being an Australian icon and then Toyota will "save it" with much fan fair at the 11th hour with a huge amount of free media attention.

The only other vehicle FESA could replace it with would be a Land Rover if they don't want to compromise on weight/4x4 capability. DEC use Hilux for the officers and they carry basically only space saver slip ons, not the extra lockers, bar work and gear that FESA carry so the weight on a DEC light unit is less (don't forget DEC fire crew only use Heavy Duties and Gang Trucks (3.4's) as its primary fire fighting vehicle and don't really rely on the much smaller light tankers)

At the end of the day with fires getting bigger and badder FESA should also be focusing on the larger vehicles like DEC does, the LT, although very useful and should always be around should not be the "back bone" of the FESA bushfire fighting fleet, FESA should have more single cab 4x4 canters and set them up specifically for Bushfires to carry 1500lt of water, or at least 1000lt. The other option is getting the 1.4 Land Rovers that they use to run.

... or an F250, F350 could be interesting...

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Re: W.A Fire Appliances

Post by pacestick » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:30 pm

I think they should try the ford Rangers and modify them into a LT but not sure if it would work.
Toyota are likely to have something in the line to replace the 70s but only time will tell.
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Re: W.A Fire Appliances

Post by Son Of The Phantom » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:21 pm

Son Of The Phantom wrote:Toyota is planning to kill off the 70 Series, so what will FESA do to replace the LT's? Hilux maybe ?
I know that they had some Patrols once and there's a few Landies around but there have been issues with those. so.....

The Dual Cab has been released, wonder if FESA will trial them. (Like they did with the Landies)

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Re: W.A Fire Appliances

Post by Wazza Y » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:04 am

At the end of the day with fires getting bigger and badder FESA should also be focusing on the larger vehicles like DEC does, the LT, although very useful and should always be around should not be the "back bone" of the FESA bushfire fighting fleet, FESA should have more single cab 4x4 canters and set them up specifically for Bushfires to carry 1500lt of water, or at least 1000lt. The other option is getting the 1.4 Land Rovers that they use to run.

... or an F250, F350 could be interesting...[/quote]

Unfortunately as handy as it would be to have more water capacity by using a canter or F350 due to their weight you need to have an MR licence to drive them which more than half the vollies in most brigades don't have and due to the mines the cost of getting it is over $2000 I think.
as for great walls I think I would rather walk around with a knapsack than trust them.

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Re: W.A Fire Appliances

Post by newbie » Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:55 pm

Unfortunately as handy as it would be to have more water capacity by using a canter or F350 due to their weight you need to have an MR licence to drive them which more than half the vollies in most brigades don't have and due to the mines the cost of getting it is over $2000 I think.
The F 350 would be a standard licence and a canter would only be a LR licence if that, but you are right in that anything above a standard licence would be an issue... Forgot about that... To get a MR is only be a couple of hundred depending how many lessons you took but that is enough to stop people getting one if all they are going to use it for is in their local brigade.

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Re: W.A Fire Appliances

Post by Matt. » Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:08 pm

VW had a couple of Amaroks at the workshops the other day , single and dual cabs

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