Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:49 pm
They link em in winter and de link em in summer, otherwise it is too hard to keep track of everyones movements when its busy ie in summer
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They have not been delinked as yet. It's only done when busy and on the proviso they have the staff to do so... otherwise, they networks stay linkedJG-103 wrote:They link em in winter and de link em in summer, otherwise it is too hard to keep track of everyones movements when its busy ie in summer
Interesting while listening because sometimes channel 25 appears to delink itself for a few minutes (can hear 6IP/6AR but not any mobile on 6AR) and then it comes good again. Very weird!Fastlane wrote: They have not been delinked as yet. It's only done when busy and on the proviso they have the staff to do so... otherwise, they networks stay linked
I think you'll find the old BFB comms procedures and guidelines were alot more strict and defined than the FRS ones ever were. The biggest problem in the past (and not completely gone yet) with the radio networks when linked and busy, were not people giving long sitreps but the stupid data transmissions over the 'voice' channels for the Fire & Rescue Vehicle Status Units.eukanuba wrote:You'll never hear chatter on 6ar as you'd get a right bollocking for anything other than 'proper' radio communications.. it gets quite busy and you've got to be snap sharp otherwise you're hogging the station.. and there's always something more important happening..
As has been said previously, comcen link the 2 channels during the quieter months.. and 6ip is often quiet alot of the time unless there's a decent fire on.. but you'll find the 'style' of the calls from the BFB's alot more um.. 'relaxed'.. if you could call it that..
Um, we don't hear that on our radio's - you only hear that on the scanners... and the VSU's are only supplied to career stations.. so there's nothing we can do about thatFastlane wrote:I think you'll find the old BFB comms procedures and guidelines were alot more strict and defined than the FRS ones ever were. The biggest problem in the past (and not completely gone yet) with the radio networks when linked and busy, were not people giving long sitreps but the stupid data transmissions over the 'voice' channels for the Fire & Rescue Vehicle Status Units.
Now, I'm not taking it personal - or having a go, but can you point me to where I've taken the piss out of a volunteer on the website - and I'll gladly remove it..Fastlane wrote:Regardless, how helpful is it for one vollie to take the piss out of, or denigrate other volunteers? Have you never made a mistake?
(pssst, check your website!)
You might not hear it on your radio, but it interferes with voice communications and often goes straight over the top of people.eukanuba wrote:Um, we don't hear that on our radio's - you only hear that on the scanners... and the VSU's are only supplied to career stations.. so there's nothing we can do about that
Your previous post was, not your website - however, you might like to check your HTML under the "Roll Call" pageeukanuba wrote:Now, I'm not taking it personal - or having a go, but can you point me to where I've taken the piss out of a volunteer on the website - and I'll gladly remove it..
You don't make mistakes? Everyone makes mistakes - the only problem comes when you cant admit that you do. We are, regardless of the amount of training we may do, all human after all.eukanuba wrote:We don't make mistakes because we train so much, if we make a mistake - someone could most likely die, and that's just not acceptable - volunteer or not, no one should accept poor firemanship.
Considering I've been a member of both the bush and fire and rescue services for a number of years, I've noticed that the comm's side of some of the rural brigades is a little 'yeah, she'll be right mate - thank your mum for the rabbit's robbo'...Fastlane wrote:Your previous post was, not your website - however, you might like to check your HTML under the "Roll Call" page
Yeah, I probably do make mistakes - you never do everything right 100% of the time - but then again, to my credit no one's ever died through my lack of training...Fastlane wrote:You don't make mistakes? Everyone makes mistakes - the only problem comes when you cant admit that you do. We are, regardless of the amount of training we may do, all human after all.
.....................lolrich wrote:I am a volunteer firefighter and the difference between 6ip and 6ar is that 6ar is for the paid fire brigades(frs) and 6ip is for the volunteer bush fire and volunteer frs this is so that the commcentre can distinguish between wether it is frs or volunteer brigades calling in so they know who they are sending to an incident.
So only paid guys can be FRS ?rich wrote:I am a volunteer firefighter and the difference between 6ip and 6ar is that 6ar is for the paid fire brigades(frs) and 6ip is for the volunteer bush fire and volunteer frs this is so that the commcentre can distinguish between wether it is frs or volunteer brigades calling in so they know who they are sending to an incident.
.. sorta. The general rule as given in SOP 8 is:WPXZBP wrote:From a fellow volunteer F&RS member ( a Captain): Career and Volunteer F&RS brigades use 6AR, VBFS use 6IP.
don't recall them in the past discriminating who they sent to a fire
Look at the leda fire, the fesa guys didnt want the bushies there, another example is the hills fire, the majority of vehicles were FRS. When ever hope valley goes to a bushfire and calls a 3rd alarm, only FRS brigades get called unless if they say they need bushies or our 7.2.
Its crap, FRS only have the one vehicle able to go into the bush, u go to these fires and u have 3 or 4 med pumpers on the side off the road cause they cant do any thing. FRS shouldnt do bush fires if they have a local bush fire brigade.
Example hope valley and Mandogalup. Hope Valley might be at a bush fire, and there is a house fire in their area, 6ar will send rockingham 1st or success to the house fire, it takes rockingham first approx 8-10 mins to get to hope valley, in that time the house could be half gutted. Now if Mandogalup had been sent to the bush fire instead, hope valley would have gotten to the house fire in a minute or two at most, preventing the house being half gutted. (This hasnt happened i dont have anything against hope valley or rockingham or success) But because our old area is now classified as a FRS area, if there is no local frs brigades able to go to that bushfire, they'll get Perth 2nd if they have to to go to it before they send out any bushfire brigade. Its stupid.
Conclusion- leave the bushfires to the bushfire brigades or at least give the frs vehicles capable of going into the bush like 2.4 urban or something