Hello all,
Does anyone of any training matieral or can point me in the right direction; in regards to methonal fires i.e. what signs to look out for, how to approach them, methods of extinguishment & know how it is fully extinguished, etc. especially in regards to speedway sprint cars. As I am trying to develop a brigade level training package to run through members as a refresher before our up-coming speedway circut that we attend.
Methonal Fires
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Re: Methanol Fires
http://www.p2pays.org/ref/05/04432.htm
http://www.indycar.com/news/index.php?story_id=207
PM me your details and I'll get some other info you need from some of the speedway guys here in the Brigade.
http://www.indycar.com/news/index.php?story_id=207
PM me your details and I'll get some other info you need from some of the speedway guys here in the Brigade.
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Re: Methonal Fires
G'day SmashedXR6T
i don't have any info for you, just a request the info you gather could you please pass on to me as i am from a speedway back ground with my family and i am alsao a vollie my self. we have the nationals we are attending in easter and just in general the info would be handy since 90% of the time i pit crew for either of our two cars.
thanx BFB LT1
i don't have any info for you, just a request the info you gather could you please pass on to me as i am from a speedway back ground with my family and i am alsao a vollie my self. we have the nationals we are attending in easter and just in general the info would be handy since 90% of the time i pit crew for either of our two cars.
thanx BFB LT1
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Re: Methonal Fires
im involved in Jet boat racing in baldivis and there are a few boats that run methanol. water extinguishes it, and as far as im aware, nothing else. as it burns 'invisible', some crews put an additive into the fuel which makes it burn with a green tinge. this helps identify a fire. this is about as much as i know. hope it helps.
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Re: Methonal Fires
Don't try standard AFFF foam (the blue drums) Alcohol makes AFFF separate. Hopefully one of the FRS guys here can shed a bit more light on this.
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Re: Methonal Fires
Treeny are you aware if this additive is a national or a racing standard in any form of motor sport that involves the use of methanol fuel?treeny wrote:some crews put an additive into the fuel which makes it burn with a green tinge. this helps identify a fire.
Re: Methonal Fires
I believe it's something like 90% Methanol and 10% Nitro ??? I may have these around the wrong way, but am pretty sure this is what one of the Speedway guys was telling us in the Medical Centre.SmashedXR6T wrote:Treeny are you aware if this additive is a national or a racing standard in any form of motor sport that involves the use of methanol fuel?treeny wrote:some crews put an additive into the fuel which makes it burn with a green tinge. this helps identify a fire.
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Re: Methonal Fires
My brother used to pit crew for a bloke who drove a speedway car. They used to keep a straw broom handy and if they suspected there was a fire they stuck that in first to see if it caught alight.
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SmashedXR6T, I do not know. I was told by the guy who runs a methanol boat that he pus an additive in it. basically we all got told that there were boats running methanol now and that water is the extingushant.
as you can buy pure methanol by the 200L drum, my guess would be that its not AustStnrd that it has to have the additive, people just choose to put it in to be safer, but please, if anyone reading this can shead some light, your more than welcome, as i wouldlike to know too.
as you can buy pure methanol by the 200L drum, my guess would be that its not AustStnrd that it has to have the additive, people just choose to put it in to be safer, but please, if anyone reading this can shead some light, your more than welcome, as i wouldlike to know too.
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Re: Methonal Fires
Here is a link to some US training material on Ethanol and Ethanol blended fuel fires. Its near enough to methanol to be of some use hopefully.
http://www.iafc.org/displaycommon.cfm?a ... =20#hazmat
I'm really hoping some of the FRS crew here can provide a link to some Australian material.
http://www.iafc.org/displaycommon.cfm?a ... =20#hazmat
I'm really hoping some of the FRS crew here can provide a link to some Australian material.
Re: Methonal Fires
First result in a google search "hazmat action guide methanol"
The HAG book is the main resource used by FRS for information on combatting HAZMAT incidents, whether they be spills or fire. If you search the HAG information I linked to for 'Fire' you will see Dry Agent, CO2 or Water Spray/Fog as agents.
I know from people who have worked on refuel at Rally that they basically stare at the filling point and above and watch for heat shimmer, as the fire itself is hard to see. They dress in Level 2 PPE with a HP reel at the ready, set appropriately and hit it quickly.
With speedway I'm assuming you're propbably more concerned about crashes and the like. In either regard, I'd suggest you try either FESA training wing, or one of the motorsport fire rescue groups in Aust.
http://www.qfrc.org.au/
http://www.hotfrog.com.au/Companies/Wom ... ire-Rescue
http://www.racesafe.com.au/racesafe/rac ... x?readform
http://www.vfrs.com.au/
The HAG book is the main resource used by FRS for information on combatting HAZMAT incidents, whether they be spills or fire. If you search the HAG information I linked to for 'Fire' you will see Dry Agent, CO2 or Water Spray/Fog as agents.
I know from people who have worked on refuel at Rally that they basically stare at the filling point and above and watch for heat shimmer, as the fire itself is hard to see. They dress in Level 2 PPE with a HP reel at the ready, set appropriately and hit it quickly.
With speedway I'm assuming you're propbably more concerned about crashes and the like. In either regard, I'd suggest you try either FESA training wing, or one of the motorsport fire rescue groups in Aust.
http://www.qfrc.org.au/
http://www.hotfrog.com.au/Companies/Wom ... ire-Rescue
http://www.racesafe.com.au/racesafe/rac ... x?readform
http://www.vfrs.com.au/
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Re: Methonal Fires
Guys, this is a little scary.SmashedXR6T wrote:Hello all,
Does anyone of any training matieral or can point me in the right direction; in regards to methonal fires i.e. what signs to look out for, how to approach them, methods of extinguishment & know how it is fully extinguished, etc. especially in regards to speedway sprint cars. As I am trying to develop a brigade level training package to run through members as a refresher before our up-coming speedway circut that we attend.
It sounds to me that what is required is a plan for emergency management at the speedway.
Smashed, I'm assuming that you are a vollie. Mate, if your brigade has committed to provide fire cover at a speedway event I strongly encourage you to talk to your DO about it. What is required here is a pre-plan that addresses the scenarios you are likely to have to encounter. Your DO should be able to assist with this. All responses need to be undertaken in accordance with your agency's SOPs rather than being guided by well intending members of this forum.
While I have the utmost respect for the skills and knowlege volunteers hold there is no substitute for covering your butt and doing things through your agency.
Hope it all goes well, and keep safe.
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Re: Methonal Fires
wowser
i think you will find smashed was asking if anyone had the actual training "material" for methonal fires not asking for peoples advice
just the way i read his post!!!!!!!!!
i think you will find smashed was asking if anyone had the actual training "material" for methonal fires not asking for peoples advice
just the way i read his post!!!!!!!!!
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