Major Fires 2007/08 (Bush/Scrub)

munchkin1981 · Post by **munchkin1981** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:45 pm

does it really matter who goes? as long as the hot red stuff gets put out by the cold wet stuff and noone gets hurt or property damaged that is all that really matters right?

SamW · Post by **SamW** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:51 pm

Munchkin, yes and no. I can see the point you are making, but a lot of people are wondering why this certain brigade *seems* to be getting turned out all the time, when there are brigades a lot closer to the incident...

ace of spades · Post by **ace of spades** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:01 pm

Your exactly correct. The whole idea about zone 2 response is to hit the fire straight away. This means if that the perms say midland get called to these jobs, they may get there first or get there soon after and they may stop the fire with the first arriving BFS appliances so that it doesn't escalate into a major fire though as we all know this may not always be the case.

A zone 2 response is just a basic turn out that incorporates the FRS whether vollie or perm, BFS, Helitacs. I beleive it is a good system in the fact the public can be assured that if a fire is approaching their house there are crews there to handle structural fires.

Also I hear on the radio if comms are getting a lot of calls then they er on the side of caution and send alot of appliances. Hey better to be safe then sorry

On the comment about the perms calling the shots, well hey it is there job, they may have more experience or lets say practice and also they are trained in incident management which can be reassuring to arriving crews if you have a bloke who knows how to task crews and knows whats going on, plus alot of the times the local CFM -(Paid FESA employee) also takes over so it works both ways.

In most cases if its small then the perms will usually leave early anyway to get back to there own area. But as long as the job gets done with little damage to property and the environment then its a job well done and worth it if a few noses are put out of joint

WPXZBP · Post by **WPXZBP** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:09 pm

Let's keep the policy discussion in this thread please.

Post by **playworth** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:47 pm

kylep · Post by **kylep** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:29 am

Once again people, read up on the SOPs, MOUs, MAAs and any other documents for your area, and for the fire services as a whole. ICS also plays a big part.

Remember, first arriving appliance's OIC becomes IC, and is such until they hand over to someone else. Who it gets handed over to involves many factors: experience/competence & training, agency, role and so on.

Also on Zone 2, it is essentialy a pre-plan for response to a certain area under certain conditions (Very High and Extreme FDI). So you should check on what the plan is for your area, and if a mobilisation anomaly occurs, file a MARS form. No use complaining here about it.

Post by **gkoutlis** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:58 am

Fair bit of smoke around the city today - anyone know why?

philby · Post by **philby** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:40 am

Possible cause is a fire.

Post by **gkoutlis** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:59 am

philby wrote:Possible cause is a fire.

Umm yeah okay smarty pants - I knew that - okay - Was wondering if it was a current bush fire or not.

philby · Post by **philby** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:35 pm

ok now there is
vine road, hern hill
midland, west swan lt, bullsbrook 3.4 , east swan 1.4, malaga 2.4, swan chief,east gidgee 7.2,east gidgee 1.4. west gidee 3.4, bulls brook 7.2

6ar called east gidgee to proceed normal road. they replied negative 6ar!

http://www.whereis.com/whereis/getMap.do?nref=getMap

Helitak_670 · Post by **Helitak_670** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:43 pm

Sounds like a big incident

Post by **gkoutlis** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:10 pm

6ar called east gidgee to proceed normal road. they replied negative 6ar!

Can a Fire Crew responding to an incident refuse an order from 6AR to down grade to normal road conditions??

SamW · Post by **SamW** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:39 pm

Peachy Road x Morrison Road, Swan View fire, i think it was just up-graded to 3rd alarm. Perth Second in charge with Darlington Light tankers there and Malaga.
2 Helitacks on way

chrissss · Post by **chrissss** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:01 pm

its in the john forrest national park,sounds bigtime

thats DEC land so they'll be in charge soon probably

dm perth north east in charge

also another level 2 response midland and east swan turning out.

all appliance's turning out from earlier incident to stratton incident.

chrissss · Post by **chrissss** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:10 pm

sounds like calms ste[pping up.