Auxillary Police THREAD

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Auxillary Police THREAD

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thought I would start this thread to keep updated with information about WA Auxillary Police:.

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0 ... 61,00.html

Post any comments / updates here.

Not much news on it yet except they will be more like the custody officers.
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So.. Anything?? Anything??.
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Well as you said yourself in the first post, there's not really much *to* know so far :)
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I was recently in a Q & A about Auxillary Policing with the CEO of WAPOL and Assistant Commissioner Gregson. As Zebedee said, there is not really much to know at this stage. Planning is in its infancy and real and solid plans cant really be put forward until the appropriate legislation has passed parliament.

So it's really just a waiting game until details become more concrete. :roll:
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After spending time in the UK, I believe, think that they would go down the path of Community Support Officers.

The powers that all PCSOs have at present are:

Issue fixed penalty notices for traffic offences, littering, breach of dog control orders and cycling on a footpath
Require name and address where they have reason to believe a person has committed a road traffic offence, a 'relevant offence', a licencing offence, an act of anti-social behaviour or is in possession of a controlled drug
Confiscate alcohol from persons in designated places and from under 18s, or anyone considered involved in supplying under 18s with alcohol
Seize and dispose of tobacco from under 16s
Seize (controlled) drugs under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971
Enter and search premises to save life or prevent serious damage to property
Seize vehicles used to cause alarm, distress or annoyance (s.59 Police Reform Act 2002)
Remove abandoned vehicles
Stop bicycles
Control traffic
Carry out road checks
Place traffic signs
Enforce cordoned areas under the Terrorism Act 2000
Photograph people away from a police station
Stop and search in an authorised area under the Terrorism Act 2000 if authorised and supervised by a police officer

Detain a person suspected to have committed an offence or an act of anti-social behaviour.
Detain a person who does not provide their name and address when required
Detain a person who fails to provide details or complies with orders of a PCSO.
Use reasonable force in relation to a detained person or to prevent a detained person making off. This may involve the use of handcuffs if the PCSO has been issued with and authorised to use them.
Issue fixed penalty notices for disorder, truancy, excluded pupils found in public places, dog fouling, graffiti and flyposting
Enforce bylaws
Deal with begging
Enforce certain licensing offences
Search detained people for dangerous items
Disperse groups and remove under 16s to their place of residence
Remove children contravening bans imposed by a curfew notice to their place of residence.
Remove truants to designated premises
Search for alcohol and tobacco
Enforce park trading offences
Enter licensed premises (limited)
Stop vehicles for testing
Direct traffic for the purposes of escorting abnormal loads
Traffic PCSOs (TPCSOs) also have the powers of Police Traffic Wardens

PCSOs have the same powers of arrest as citizens.

Just by going about that above, there is certainly a need during daytime for several of these officers in the City...
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I think you'll find it's more of the admin/paperwork side of the station, cell duties etc, allowing more officers to be freed up for frontline duties
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Doubtful... They wouldnt be called "Auxillary Police" just for paperwork would they?

If its Admin, stuff, then they would be just admin?
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I agree, I don't think we will see Aux Police on the Frontline for a long time, if ever.

The Police powers they will be given will relate to signing paperwork/statements, conveying drugs, custodial etc.

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Then they wouldn't be called Auxillary Police would they?
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Police Union cautious
By ABC News
Posted 2 hours 35 minutes ago
Updated 45 minutes ago
Police Commissioner says auxiliary officers will release police for frontline duties
The Police Union says it is waiting to see the fine print before throwing its support behind plans for new auxiliary officers.
The Police Minister Rob Johnson is introducing legislation into Parliament to allow up to 150 auxiliary officers to support Police in custodial and backline jobs.
The Police Commissioner Karl O'Callaghan says the first group of auxiliary officers will perform lock up duty and transport court exhibits.
He says it will release fully-trained sworn officers to get back to front line duty.
"There are many single functions that police officers perform that frustrate them," he said.
"They are trained for a whole range of things and often they find themselves in watch houses and transporting drugs and doing courier work."
"I don't want that to occur, I want to release those officers to a full range of policing duties," he said.
Backline Jobs
The Minister says the roles could be expanded to include investigative assistance, intelligence and prosecution support.
The President of the Police Union, Russel Armstrong, says the union is willing to accept auxiliary officers as long as they are involved in backline jobs.
He says he is concerned about any plans to extend the roles, and wants to know exactly what the auxiliary officers will be doing.
"What we've been told currently, we don't have a problem with but there seems to be an extension to, already to, the proposal for minor and investigative roles and prosecuting," he said.
"Now, we've never been told that and again we will talk to the Commissioner and the Minister in relation to these changes,"
Backflip
The Opposition Police spokeswoman, Margaret Quirk, says it is a Government backflip on a promise to create 500 new fully sworn Police officers.
Commissioner O'Callaghan disagrees.
"What you're getting here is 500 fully sworn officers on the street because each of these auxiliary police officers will allow a fully trained police officer to go out on the street so we get exactly the same capacity result," he said.
Russel Armstrong says they are yet to see the detail including designs for new auxiliary officer uniforms.
"They are used in Victoria and in the Northern Territory and they have the word 'auxiliary' or 'reservist' but we'll just wait and see," he said.
"We haven't seen the design and again that'll be part of our talks with the commissioner and the minister."
They will be called Police to allow them powers under certain Acts to allow them to carry out certain duties i.e. possess drugs for transfer etc. There are going to be plenty of jobs back stage for Aux Police to do in WAPOL.....but any kind of patrol duties won't be on the list.

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NT Police have Auxillary Police and have done for years, they do things like Watch House, Comms and Front Counter duties.

http://www.pfes.nt.gov.au/index.cfm?fus ... m=23&sm=52
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written_ficton wrote:After spending time in the UK, I believe, think that they would go down the path of Community Support Officers.

The powers that all PCSOs have at present are:

Issue fixed penalty notices for traffic offences, littering, breach of dog control orders and cycling on a footpath
Require name and address where they have reason to believe a person has committed a road traffic offence, a 'relevant offence', a licencing offence, an act of anti-social behaviour or is in possession of a controlled drug
Confiscate alcohol from persons in designated places and from under 18s, or anyone considered involved in supplying under 18s with alcohol
Seize and dispose of tobacco from under 16s
Seize (controlled) drugs under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971
Enter and search premises to save life or prevent serious damage to property
Seize vehicles used to cause alarm, distress or annoyance (s.59 Police Reform Act 2002)
Remove abandoned vehicles
Stop bicycles
Control traffic
Carry out road checks
Place traffic signs
Enforce cordoned areas under the Terrorism Act 2000
Photograph people away from a police station
Stop and search in an authorised area under the Terrorism Act 2000 if authorised and supervised by a police officer

Detain a person suspected to have committed an offence or an act of anti-social behaviour.
Detain a person who does not provide their name and address when required
Detain a person who fails to provide details or complies with orders of a PCSO.
Use reasonable force in relation to a detained person or to prevent a detained person making off. This may involve the use of handcuffs if the PCSO has been issued with and authorised to use them.
Issue fixed penalty notices for disorder, truancy, excluded pupils found in public places, dog fouling, graffiti and flyposting
Enforce bylaws
Deal with begging
Enforce certain licensing offences
Search detained people for dangerous items
Disperse groups and remove under 16s to their place of residence
Remove children contravening bans imposed by a curfew notice to their place of residence.
Remove truants to designated premises
Search for alcohol and tobacco
Enforce park trading offences
Enter licensed premises (limited)
Stop vehicles for testing
Direct traffic for the purposes of escorting abnormal loads
Traffic PCSOs (TPCSOs) also have the powers of Police Traffic Wardens

PCSOs have the same powers of arrest as citizens.

Just by going about that above, there is certainly a need during daytime for several of these officers in the City...
Sounds like a lot of this would be Council Rangers work. Like dog act, litter act, parking, deal with begging etc. Leave it to them and let WAPOL do the real police work, like cacthin burglars, drug dealers etc.
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woobla1 wrote:thought I would start this thread to keep updated with information about WA Auxillary Police:.

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0 ... 61,00.html

Post any comments / updates here.

Not much news on it yet except they will be more like the custody officers.
About time you guys come up to the NT standards...
also we now have a new comish .. and he be from WA
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Today's West Australian has the first ad for the Auxillary recruitment - Page 99.

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So has anyone applied? looking at the fitness etc, its only a minimal step down from a police officer requirements!
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