The jury has spoken. Let's get out our pitch forks and hunt JG down! Pfft.
Don't worry JG... I have a sense of adventure and don't take things as seriously as some people. I would take what has been said in this thread with a grain of salt.
"I do know that a few more guys will be noting regos of cars that cruise by jobs that create interest here."
Oh noes! The boys are back in town! Nigga please! What could possibly gained by doing such a thing... "I am arresting you for being in the vicinity of a job announced on a police scanner."
*sigh* Same old shit, different day.
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If it interferes with police business i say hellyeah...note them.
Some people don't realize that by "fooling" around like this the cops get held up....in the meanwhile some innocent person or even your family can become a victim of crime wich maybe could have been prevented,all that because somebody had to be sticking his nose in places it doesn't belong.
it ain't funny
Wanna see action? rent a movie or watch the news
Some people don't realize that by "fooling" around like this the cops get held up....in the meanwhile some innocent person or even your family can become a victim of crime wich maybe could have been prevented,all that because somebody had to be sticking his nose in places it doesn't belong.
it ain't funny
Wanna see action? rent a movie or watch the news
On the 7th day...god created the turd
On the 8th day...Ford made it move
On the 8th day...Ford made it move
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If it genuinely interferes with Police business... of course. But driving by, having a gander. Seriously... how does that interfere?Angus wrote:If it interferes with police business i say hellyeah...note them.
Some people don't realize that by "fooling" around like this the cops get held up....in the meanwhile some innocent person or even your family can become a victim of crime wich maybe could have been prevented,all that because somebody had to be sticking his nose in places it doesn't belong.
it ain't funny
Wanna see action? rent a movie or watch the news
The CD vehicle that pulled JG over... Perhaps JG shouldn't have been in the area. But he was and has every right to drive and visit whichever suburbs in Perth, and the rest of the world! CD didn't HAVE to pull him over. Did he match the description? Was he acting suspisciously? Was there reasonable grounds?
Soon we will all be spoon fed.
Oh goody Hitman is back in town. Do espouse your wisdom to us poor uneducated folk as you seem to know it all. I await with baited breath for more of your "One time in band camp" stories you are so good at. By the way what are we today a doorman, auto engineer or maybe an astronaut?
The main problem with rocking up at jobs/pursuits is a safety thing not a legal thing. Yes, probably bystanders/innocent passerbys could be hurt the same way but not much can be done about that as they say.. shit happens. But to go out of your way and put you or your mates near a situation is not wise. I couldn't really car who rocked up at a job and most coppers would not resort to legal remedies unless you really got in the way. To put it plainly it is JUST NOT SMART.
However if we want to talk consequences lets start with what can be done and forget this USA mindset of reasonable grounds.
1) Move on Notice (recorded indefinetley on police computer) which has a criminal penalty for breaching it.
2) Obstructing Police. Replaces hinder and is now under the Criminal Code. To constitute obstruction you only need to do something that makes the job of a police officer harder. An example of this was Ben COUSINS. The basis for that charge was that the police had to move traffic cones from their RBT to get to his car and move it. It is a very broad charge with significant penalties
3) Work Orders. Everyone has a war story from a mate of a mate who reckons they got a sticker on their car just becuase of their attitude. Don't know if it happens or is just an urban myth. You be the judge.
4) Search of your vehicle/person. Can be embarrasing especially personal searches and vehicle searches can last a long time.
The outcomes may not seem too severe but why put yourself through it.
The main problem with rocking up at jobs/pursuits is a safety thing not a legal thing. Yes, probably bystanders/innocent passerbys could be hurt the same way but not much can be done about that as they say.. shit happens. But to go out of your way and put you or your mates near a situation is not wise. I couldn't really car who rocked up at a job and most coppers would not resort to legal remedies unless you really got in the way. To put it plainly it is JUST NOT SMART.
However if we want to talk consequences lets start with what can be done and forget this USA mindset of reasonable grounds.
1) Move on Notice (recorded indefinetley on police computer) which has a criminal penalty for breaching it.
2) Obstructing Police. Replaces hinder and is now under the Criminal Code. To constitute obstruction you only need to do something that makes the job of a police officer harder. An example of this was Ben COUSINS. The basis for that charge was that the police had to move traffic cones from their RBT to get to his car and move it. It is a very broad charge with significant penalties
3) Work Orders. Everyone has a war story from a mate of a mate who reckons they got a sticker on their car just becuase of their attitude. Don't know if it happens or is just an urban myth. You be the judge.
4) Search of your vehicle/person. Can be embarrasing especially personal searches and vehicle searches can last a long time.
The outcomes may not seem too severe but why put yourself through it.
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That's the one that bugs me. Do reasonable grounds rights even exist anymore?CHEV4EVR wrote: 4) Search of your vehicle/person. Can be embarrasing especially personal searches and vehicle searches can last a long time.
Edit: Maybe being near the scene of a crime might be called reasonable grounds, but still.... As for them being USA only stuff, what grounds do police have in law to search people's vehicles without a search warrant? (not trolling, just asking)
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Replying to my own post here but I found this interesting:vk6hgr wrote: Edit: Maybe being near the scene of a crime might be called reasonable grounds, but still.... As for them being USA only stuff, what grounds do police have in law to search people's vehicles without a search warrant? (not trolling, just asking)
http://www.legalaid.wa.gov.au/InfoAbout ... Police.xml
The police can stop, search and detain (hold) any person or vehicle, if they reasonably believe that:
* an offence has been committed
* an offence is about to be committed or
* you are carrying something relating to an offence.
I thought so...
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Reasonable grounds for the most part is an american legal concept.
In WA depending what legislation you are basing your search is the level of suspicion required. Search powers basically come from the Misuse of Drugs Act and Police Act/Crim Code. Each lays out when you have the authority to search and it largely comes down to time, place and circumstance. A Police Act/Crim Code search directs that your suspicion must be drawn by the property rather than the person ie just because you know someone is a crook does not allow you to search them on that basis alone.
The RTA/RTC/VSR also allows police to conduct an examination on any vehicle being driven on the road. This includes examining pedals, gear knobs ie inside the vehicle. Anything else located during the search such as drugs falls into what is known as chance discovery and the illegal item is admissable as evidence.
A search can be ruled inadmissable if an abuse of process is detected. Say for example you want to search a car for drugs but utilise your VSR powers to conduct the search the court can rule any item found inadmissable as evidence thereby making a charge pretty hard to prove.
The state law publisher has all the relevant acts on pdf files. I think the site is www.slp.wa.gov.au
In WA depending what legislation you are basing your search is the level of suspicion required. Search powers basically come from the Misuse of Drugs Act and Police Act/Crim Code. Each lays out when you have the authority to search and it largely comes down to time, place and circumstance. A Police Act/Crim Code search directs that your suspicion must be drawn by the property rather than the person ie just because you know someone is a crook does not allow you to search them on that basis alone.
The RTA/RTC/VSR also allows police to conduct an examination on any vehicle being driven on the road. This includes examining pedals, gear knobs ie inside the vehicle. Anything else located during the search such as drugs falls into what is known as chance discovery and the illegal item is admissable as evidence.
A search can be ruled inadmissable if an abuse of process is detected. Say for example you want to search a car for drugs but utilise your VSR powers to conduct the search the court can rule any item found inadmissable as evidence thereby making a charge pretty hard to prove.
The state law publisher has all the relevant acts on pdf files. I think the site is www.slp.wa.gov.au
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I still have my CC licence. But it doesn't get used much these days... I left Triden for some very obvious reasons. I still get my hands dirty everyday though. Pays the bills and provides plenty of action. If my occupation(s) are a little suspiscious to you CHEV there are a couple of people on here who would be happy to confirm what I do. uneekwan, yorky... etcCHEV4EVR wrote:Oh goody Hitman is back in town. Do espouse your wisdom to us poor uneducated folk as you seem to know it all. I await with baited breath for more of your "One time in band camp" stories you are so good at. By the way what are we today a doorman, auto engineer or maybe an astronaut?
The main problem with rocking up at jobs/pursuits is a safety thing not a legal thing. Yes, probably bystanders/innocent passerbys could be hurt the same way but not much can be done about that as they say.. shit happens. But to go out of your way and put you or your mates near a situation is not wise. I couldn't really car who rocked up at a job and most coppers would not resort to legal remedies unless you really got in the way. To put it plainly it is JUST NOT SMART.
However if we want to talk consequences lets start with what can be done and forget this USA mindset of reasonable grounds.
1) Move on Notice (recorded indefinetley on police computer) which has a criminal penalty for breaching it.
2) Obstructing Police. Replaces hinder and is now under the Criminal Code. To constitute obstruction you only need to do something that makes the job of a police officer harder. An example of this was Ben COUSINS. The basis for that charge was that the police had to move traffic cones from their RBT to get to his car and move it. It is a very broad charge with significant penalties
3) Work Orders. Everyone has a war story from a mate of a mate who reckons they got a sticker on their car just becuase of their attitude. Don't know if it happens or is just an urban myth. You be the judge.
4) Search of your vehicle/person. Can be embarrasing especially personal searches and vehicle searches can last a long time.
The outcomes may not seem too severe but why put yourself through it.
Anyway. I posted what I posted as bait. I knew it would get a reponse from you. I love reading your posts. They are exciting and enjoyable to read. You are my idol. Keep it up... maybe one day I can come and get your autograph? Please?
PS - espouse is rather a big word for a copper to use isn't it? Been reading the dictionary again CHEV (no offence Walks
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Thanks for that Chev. The RTC certainly makes for interesting reading!CHEV4EVR wrote:Reasonable grounds for the most part is an american legal concept.
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The RTA/RTC/VSR also allows police to conduct an examination on any vehicle being driven on the road. This includes examining pedals, gear knobs ie inside the vehicle. Anything else located during the search such as drugs falls into what is known as chance discovery and the illegal item is admissable as evidence.
A search can be ruled inadmissable if an abuse of process is detected. Say for example you want to search a car for drugs but utilise your VSR powers to conduct the search the court can rule any item found inadmissable as evidence thereby making a charge pretty hard to prove.
Hmm. It would certainly be a fine line between an "inspection" of the vehicle under the RTC to determine its roadworthiness vs a full blown search. As you say, drugs baggies dislogdged from their hiding places during an RTC inspection are just plain tough luck for the driver
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My my.. Hasn't the vibe of the forum erm evolved 
Fair enough JG-103's inquisitive side got the better of him- more than once but sheesh I think he may have learned his lesson now!
Needless to say I don't believe its right to stick your nose in on the action on such an occasion but my opinion is irrelevant to my point right now.
Talk about coming across a little harsh with the what if's and consequences list. Note to self- Be afraid, be very afraid.
Everyone knows the way a person is treated by police is based on the persons attitude towards them, if you give cops lip they'll throw it right back at you in some form of infringement notice etc. Best thing to do is just submit. You see enough examples of this and if you're wise you can learn from other people's mistakes to avoid your own.
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Fair enough JG-103's inquisitive side got the better of him- more than once but sheesh I think he may have learned his lesson now!
Needless to say I don't believe its right to stick your nose in on the action on such an occasion but my opinion is irrelevant to my point right now.
Talk about coming across a little harsh with the what if's and consequences list. Note to self- Be afraid, be very afraid.
Everyone knows the way a person is treated by police is based on the persons attitude towards them, if you give cops lip they'll throw it right back at you in some form of infringement notice etc. Best thing to do is just submit. You see enough examples of this and if you're wise you can learn from other people's mistakes to avoid your own.
Love to all
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